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I'm reminded of a Twitter joke from (according to the WaPo) @KevinFarzad:

"HEY IT'S ME your facebook friend from high school who never left our hometown & thinks Olive Garden is fancy. Anyway, here's a racist article."



How is that a joke? It's just looking down on someone because of where they live, eat and their politics (assuming very lose definition of "racist"). And when did the role of journalists start including dunking on random people?


You seem fun.

It's funny because it's something many, many people identify with. A good chunk of Americans with the ability to do so leave small, provincial areas they grew up in for better opportunities in larger, more diverse cities. This leads to a pretty huge disconnect between them and those who, for whatever reason, stayed in their hometown.

It wasn't something that you noticed as much until Facebook exploded, and then everyone got re-connected with people from high school that, in some cases, you'd neither seen nor thought about in 20 years. And then the sort of post that prompted the joke happens, and you see it clearly.

And I assure you, as someone who grew up in and later left arguably the MOST racist state in the US south, the articles these archetypes are sharing are often quite explicit in their racism.


Many people just want a normal life around family and friends and what they're familiar with. Having family around in particular is especially important when you have children or when your parents are approaching their end of life. Children get sick and having a relative around to help watch them is essential.

Many don't optimize their life their lives around "better opportunities" and "diverse cities". It sounds like you do, and good for you.


I hesitate to respond to you again because I think you've dug your heels in here on finding the joke troublesome, but:

You DO realize that it's not at the expense of MERELY staying in a small, provincial, homogeneous place, right? It's ALSO continuing to embrace the blinkered worldview that growing up in such a place engenders. You need both for the joke to land.

You're reacting here as thought it's JUST about moving away (or not). It isn't.

I know educated, open-minded people who stayed in my hometown who have grown personally and intellectually and morally since youth. They stayed there for a handful of reasons, and some of them are as you state: an inability or unwillingness to be more than an hour from family, for example.

But I know of far more people who have not advanced in any meaningful way since they were 18 or 20. They often find the VERY IDEA of a world beyond the hometown to be fishy and untrustworthy. They are, uniformly, uncritical consumers of Fox News. They are the ones posting racist memes about, say, the Obamas, or proudly touting their COVID vax refusenik status.

This is who the joke is about.


lol - thanks for this. Only on HN can you start with a joke and end with this.


Yeah, it's tedious.


Solid explanation, but I think anyone can be forgiven for taking that tweet at face value and finding it disrespectful to small town people (good or bad) .


wish I could report or downvote this


Reader, please take a moment to reflect on how hilarious this message is.


Why?


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Is your contention that there are no uncritical consumers of Fox News? If so, I have a huge swath of family in Mississippi I should introduce you to.


Um no. Tell me, what the point of that statement is other than to be a bigot and spreading hate? Could it have been left out, and less hate spread because of it, without changing the context they provided? So you see, it’s just there to spread hate.


KevinFarzad is not a journalist. WaPo was just reporting on such jokes.


Journalist are normal people. Normal people write shitposts on Twitter. Presidents and CEOs can shitposts on Twitter but journalists cannot? What a weird assumption.


Showing contempt for huge swaths of people doesn't really bode well for objectivity. It's in poor taste for anyone to just dunk on people who stay near their homes and eat at olive garden. Sure, journalists CAN shit post, and obviously they do. I guess I assume journalists that cover news for presumably everyone wouldn't have such open contempt for so many people. But hey, that's just me.


I just realized you're basing your ire here on a misread of my post.

The joke is not from a journalist.

The joke was copied widely when originally posted, and it wasn't clear to me who wrote it in the first place -- but if I was going to reference it here, I wanted to give proper credit.

I found a story in the WaPo about online joke plagiarism, and it used this joke as an example -- and cited musician Kevin Farzad as the original author. Based on this, I credited him in my comment accordingly.


I misread your post in exactly the same way and thought the joke was made by a journalist.


They’re not dunking on people who stay near home and eat at Olive Garden.


It's different because I identify and agree with the virtue signaling of holier-than-thou social climbers who claim to do journalism. Their views represent mine, and since I am mostly without purpose or depth, I don't make petty distinctions about the definition of journalism: I only want them to validate my position that everyone I do not like is <insert adjective here> and incapable of critical thinking. The irony of this position is totally lost on me.


What’s the matter with Olive Garden?


Joke is thinking OG is somehow fancy digs.


It is fancy to a lot of people. I think the parent tweet is funny, but no need to dunk on people that don’t have a lot of money.


I wonder where that comes from. Do they pre-prepare their food and microwave it?


It's one of the cheapest casual dining restaurants that provide table service but avoids being fast casual dining and still tries to avoid a cheap look. Basically if eating out in general is a luxury due to cost then to you an Olive Garden or an Applebees type place is where you go to have your celebratory types of dinners because either your small town doesn't have much more to go to and/or your income doesn't really let you go spend on 1 12oz steak what could cover the entire meal for a small group at Olive Garden.

Of course there is nothing wrong with thinking OG is fancy and so on. Better to avoid folks who make a big deal out of it IMO.


It's a cheap, sly way to make an anti-White dig.


lol classic


lol classist


Not really. A lot of my high school friends in that boat are upper class. One is the new district attorney of my hometown for instance. Another is a regulelar contributer to fox news.

The stereotype is orthogonal to class.


“Thinks Olive Garden is fancy” is clearly a pejorative class signal


In my experience it says more about if you've left your little town for a relatively significant period of time than class. I know train kids with more exposure to the world than that, and as I said above district attorneys and national news contributors who have no interest in anything outside the commercial zone of their suburb.


> train kids

Is this a slur for my kind?


It's a term for teenagers and young adults that left the small town they were from by literally jumping on to a moving cargo train.


I suspect what may be tripping people up in this kind of discussion is that financial class and social class can be distinct from each other.


Spot on observation.

Classical guitar teacher here. I'd never have been able to buy the house I'm writing this from on my salary if not for also prostituting myself in the it sector :-)


I've found that social class in non urban environments is orthogonal to taste.

District attorneys don't necessarily get paid well, but they are pretty high up in local social class.




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