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I learned an hard lesson in the Borland ecosystem.

Always go with the platforms languages, and the IDEs from the platform owners, even if others are more shinny.

Long term it always pays off to be the turtle, as the platforms move into directions not forseen by the shinny objects, and 3rd party IDEs keep playing catching up with SDK features.



What if the company that makes Kotlin is the one that makes the Java IDE?


They make one Java IDE, zero contributions to the JVM, and are all cozy with "screw you Java devs" Google godfather.

IBM does Java and the IDE (Eclipse).

Red-Hat and Microsoft do Java and the IDE (VSCode).


They contribute to the JDK, mostly via the Swing project. For instance they're a major contributor to Project Lanai.


I missed that. Most likely because they are a long way to reboot InteliJ on Compose for Desktop.


Eclipse and NetBeans do exist, and... ehhhhh. I used NetBeans for a long time; couldn't stand Eclipse; and these days I only use IntelliJ. But the others absolutely exist, and it'd be hard to say that Apache and the Eclipse Foundation aren't deeply embedded in the Java ecosystem.


Eclipse is fine. Especially from VsCode where it uses the Eclipse language server. It boots fast, and when you run it with a modern JVM and GC the memory usage is leagues lower than IntelliJ.


> Especially from VsCode where it uses the Eclipse language server.

Sure, but my particular complaint isn't with the functionality; it's with the UI. Yes, VS Code absolutely improves the experience.


Eclipse tried their own language: https://www.eclipse.org/xtend/




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