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The fact that they completely ignore natural immunity in the USA is enough to be concerned about their motivations.


It's being ignored because it's fraught with problems.

People think they had COVID in the early pre-testing days, but it was just the flu or a bad cold. (My son was in this realm; severe pneumonia in early 2020, but later testing showed no antibodies.) You'd have restaurants swamped with angry "but I've already had it!" people.

Verification is hard; you can't just take word for it, so that means an antibody test, and at that point you might as well have just vaccinated them anyways while they were in.


The US completely botched testing: insisted of creating its own test which didn't work, wouldn't test most people and didn't scale testing capacity. I feel very sorry for those which had COVID and have sequelae and no way to prove they were sick. Sweden did something similar.

Verification isn't hard if you don't completely fuck up. There are countries in Europe which don't have the medical capabilities of the US and they were able to get this right.


You're cherry picking from people who think they had it. There are millions who know they've had COVID like myself, and I still have very high antibodies almost 9 months on. I am fit, do not have a comorbidity like obesity, hypertension, diabetes, etc. Remember, over 78% of all hospitalizations involve obesity and other comorbidities, and disproportionately affect much older people. It should be me and my doctor's choice on whether getting the jab is good for me or not. Censorship doesn't address the nuances of the issue. It leads to disenfranchising people. In addition, the vaccine spikes your antibodies, and if your antibodies are currently high, it can lead to more frequent or serious side effects. The 2018 Spanish Flu caused deaths in the young and healthy by having their immune systems go into an overwhelmingly high gear, but older people's weaker immune systems spared them this consequence. I have natural immunity, I am fit, and my risk of a second, severe infection is equal or less to your vaccinated status. After 9 months the vaccine's efficacy is much lower, and doesn't really work well against the variants. There is no long-term data, obviously, on the vaccine yet, since it was only given to the public less than a year ago. Let's see three to seven years from now. Let's remember Pfizer was the company that in 1996 setup a tent near a Doctors without Borders tent and gave an experimental antibiotic drug to 200 children, maybe more, without their parent's consent, and then 10 or 11 of those children died with others suffering other maladies thought to be from the drug. An illegal, immoral drug trial. They packed up their tent, and later back-dated a letter to say they had gone through ethics channels with the Nigerian government. So yeah, let's squash any anti-vaccine talk, because what's good for you is good for everyone. Personally, I am vaccinated with everything but the COVID vaccinations, so I am not antivax, and shouldn't be discriminated against like that. My older children got the vaccine, but me and my wife and our younger children have not, since we all had COVID, and we all have high antibodies. Fake vaccination cards also defeat your "fraught with problems" argument of people think they had it, but didn't argument. There will always be difficulties in sorting this out. That's no reason to go full-in on censorship.


Going full Gish Gallop kinda proves the point about disinformation here.


Here are but a few sources for some of the statements I made; there are plenty more:

Obesity and COVID hospitalizations: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e4.htm

Waning VE of vaccines (many more studies available from the CDC and others too): https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

Pfizer medicine and unethical trial on Nigerian children in 1996: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/11/pfizer-nigeria...

I particularly think the Wikileaks that shows more unethical, illegal attempts to get out of it are even more interesting: "But last year a US diplomatic cable uncovered by WikiLeaks revealed that Pfizer hired investigators to look for evidence of corruption against the Nigerian attorney general in an effort to persuade him to drop the legal action."

Your son or you "thought" he had it. I had it. A positive COVID test, and antibody tests 8 and 9 months later. Not my imagination.

I recommend the vaccine for friends who have not had COVID, but that is their choice not mine. If I were in my twenties, healthy, and no comorbidities, I wouldn't personally get it. You only need to look at the chart of COVID deaths and hospitalizations by age bracket, and you can see that the risk is very low. Let's see if there are any issues 3 to 5 years from now. Unfortunately, Pfizer vaccinated their control group, so long-term safety studies will have to be restarted or done by others.

People with prior infection should be angry about not being allowed to have the same access as vaccinated people. The US State department accepts it for entry into the US, but a pizzeria owner needs to turn away natural immunity folk? You wonder why there's anger? Japan, Singapore, Norway, the UK, and Ireland are doing away with COVID restrictions, and for the most part, vaccine passports. The US is completely ignoring natural immunity outside of entry to the US. Weird.




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