Perhaps, but I think it’s a fair comment to say that more effort has been put into making it nice, objectively, than any Linux desktop alternative.

Maybe some folk prefer the alternatives, and that’s fair, but if you did some pretty objective metrics of bugs, visual inconsistencies, user workflows for standard tasks (like adding new hardware…) well, it’s impossible to deny that Apple has significantly invested in making these things “nice”.

Its really quite difficult to argue the software is really the compelling offering with Framework laptops.

You can already get that on other systems if that’s your thing, and that’s never been enough to do more than barely raise a few eyebrows from folk who are particularly keen.

I consider package management and selection of packages as something nice. I also consider interoperability and freedom as something nice. A lot more effort for those has been put into the Linux personal computing ecosystem than MacOS.

... By subjective, I do not mean KDE vs Gnome vs Windows Desktop vs MacOS Desktop and all the Desktop Apps. FOSS is more than these types of things, I don't care about that stuff, it's just noise to me, the less of it is the better... Values are subjective, I value different types of things, but at the same time I am aware the primary values that DEs and big desktop apps concern themselves with are the most important to a large set of users, and that's ok - but you are ignoring the values outside of that area.

It's like I'm using my bike to ride down a mountain... you are using your bike to do city racing and don't understand why skinny tires and fixed gear and foot straps are not important to me.

> more effort has been put into making it nice, objectively, than any Linux desktop alternative.

Again, subjective.

I think you'll find that the effort is measurable, and not subjective.

How can you possibly argue that the army of programmers Apple has devoted to working on this one stack in one domain do less work than the widely distributed work done by a far smaller number of programmers on a far larger number of desktop stacks?

Don't be ridiculous.

I didn't say that the outcomes were better, just that more effort has been put in, in terms of hours-of-human effort.

> GP: Its really quite difficult to argue the software is really the compelling offering with Framework laptops.

That's a very different statement to "Apple has more person-years." In addition, by that measure, Windows is just as good, and works just fine on a Framework.