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For such a stupid thing too. I'm surprised Switzerland provided a warrant for a climate activist.


From the blog posting I read yesterday, the individual was not arrested for his political convictions. He was not only a climate activist, but also a squatter. Apparently there were several police officers hurt during a legally mandated eviction of the building that he squatted.

Saying "omg they arrested a climate activist" is like saying "omg, they arrested filesystem developer Hans Reiser!"


Your point is well taken that the headline is misleadingly conflating “who he was” with “what he did wrong”.

But is the actual crime any better, though?

If squatting and resisting arrest were the crimes, then I don’t see what justification there could be for wanting to probe into his emails.

They already know the extent of what he did, and where he did it, by nature of the crimes themselves… no?


Presumably the charge is not "resisting arrest", but "assault of an officer of the law". Several officers missed a couple of days work, one officer had to stop working for two weeks.

I haven't more on the subject, but I can certainly imagine that they started an investigation only in the days afterwards, when doctors had established reports and cooler heads prevailed.

Look at it from the perspective of the state / society. What's the alternative? Arrest everyone you find in the house, every time when you think you may press charges, and hold them indefinitely until you sort things out?

The article stated that he refused to give ID / fingerprints at the time (which is his right, as he was not charged). Clearly he no longer has a house; you just kicked him out. What do you do? How do you find him?

So they asked for an international warrant for his IP (not the contents) so that they could find him, which was approved by a disinterested third party. The warrant was executed, and now he will answer in a court of law, where he can argue his innocence while the onus is on the state to prove the contrary.

Contrast that with the alternative approach "in the heat of things" (arresting everyone, retrebutive escalating violence) and I think it's pretty amazing that our society works this way, and how much effort is spent to safeguard both justice and individual liberties. Hell, in the US, 25% of homicide-by-police is happen as the result of traffic stops that turned sour.


As far as I can tell, this was about squatting in an unused commercial space that was once a restaurant. The spot had been damaged prior to the squatting and no renovations to fix it had started.

So, yes, a crime, but comparing it to Hans Reiser seems a bit over the top.


The issue was assault during eviction, not just squating.

And my point was not to equate assault and murder. Just to say that we were having the wrong discussion.


Ah, I wasn't aware of the assault. Is there a news story that talks about the eviction of the squatters?


This blog posting by a squatting collective surfaced in a HN thread yesterday

https://paris-luttes.info/communique-sur-l-affaire-de-la-145...


It's an international request from Europol. Switzerland is somewhat forced to comply with these (and this one in particular) for two reasons. One political and one to serve its own interests.

The political one is that if Switzerland in the future will create an international request countries could rebuff that in lieu of this very event. And to be honest I am not sure if they can refuse such requests after the recent referendum about abiding the EU constitution.

The self-interest one is that those activists are/were prone to vandalizing banks which are a cornerstone of Swiss economy to this day (in smaller measure compared to the past since they now can pass information of account holders to other countries). Anyway, banks are still a big deal in the Swiss mentality and giving a literal "out of jail card" to someone that targets banks would set a bad precedent in Swiss public opinion.


Are you sure he was arrested due to climate activism-- or is it possible that the irrelevant description has been added to manipulate people into a target reaction?


Then the manipulation runs counter to the prevailing narrative.


It seems the warrant went through Interpol; I'm not sure local authorities need to sign this off.

EDIT: They actually clarify this in their statement[0], the crime must be valid under Swiss law.

[0] https://protonmail.com/blog/climate-activist-arrest/




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