Not only that, but child porn seems to mean a different thing in every place. The Netherlands and other European countries define the age of consent at 16, meaning some things that are perfectly legal there will be a ticket to prison in many countries. Now you don't just have an engineering problem, you will also have to spend a bunch of money to have some lawyers review your spec.
I believe porn involving 16 year olds is still legal in the Netherlands. Which doesn't mean it is being commercially produced anymore, for obvious reasons. Maybe a Dutch reader can provide more insight into this.
It even includes people that "appear to be under 18" even if they turn out not to be. ("[...] afbeelding – van een seksuele gedraging, waarbij iemand die kennelijk de leeftijd van achttien jaar nog niet heeft bereikt, is betrokken of schijnbaar is betrokken, [...]")
What I also found interesting is:
> Het voorontwerp Wet seksuele misdrijven stelt niet langer strafbaar degene die een visuele weergave van een seksuele gedraging of een gegevensdrager bevattende een visuele weergave van een seksuele gedraging, waarbij hijzelf of een andere persoon die de leeftijd van achttien jaren nog niet heeft bereikt is betrokken, in het kader van een gelijkwaardige situatie tussen leeftijdsgenoten uitsluitend voor privégebruik vervaardigt, in bezit heeft of met die ander deelt.
Short translation: sending or owning pictures of sexual acts involving an <18yo is not illegal if it concerns private use between persons of similar age in an 'equality situation' (I interpret this as meaning/implying 'consensual').
The problem is when you analyze what this means in practice. In Belgium consensual sex is legal IF
1) both parties are < 18, and the age difference is less than 5 years OR one party is > 18 and the age difference is less than 2 years
2) both parties are both older than 14 years (used to be 16)
3) there is no "power relationship" between them (this requirement actually drops when one, not both, turns 18)
Unfortunately ... now apply these rules to a sexual relationship between a 14 and a 17 year old.
a) 1st year: legal, any images are not CSAM
b) 2nd-5th year: illegal, any images are CSAM
c) 5th year onwards: legal, images not CSAM
Law sucks. It used to be worse, this is an actual improvement over the previous situation, but ...
What is absolutely not clear to me: does (a) mean sexual images of a 14 year old are now legal in Belgium in that case? The law does not seem to require that the owner of the pictures has to be one of the participants ... but I find it hard to believe this is the actual intent.
And to make matters even more bad, this is not the only way to punish kids. You see while this will prevent criminal prosecution, you DO NOT need a criminal conviction to lock up a minor (and they're trying to extend this). Youth services can and does, without any proof (and in practice by getting 1 social worker to say something like "it is an unhealthy relationship". They can shop around until they find one, btw, and often the one they find has never seen either kid) and in the above example lock up both partners, the younger for up to 7 years and the older up to 4. In practice they will punish the younger kid, almost always the girl.
The fun thing is when a kid is locked up for criminal reasons (bad enough so that he actually goes to prison) schooling CANNOT (and is not in practice) denied to the kid. When youth services locks kids up, they can (and are in practice) denied schooling. But of course the previous point means the police will try to use child services, not criminal prosecutions, if at all possible.
So sadly, if you want a kid's situation to improve over time and they do not want to end the relationship, your course of action is clear: you should let the abuse continue and even (help) hide it. However, if you want to hurt the kid(s) (whether or not such a relationship is actually abusive), you should report them. So here too the net result of the law is: very easy to "abuse" the law to hurt children (esp. if you are a social worker), very hard to use the law to protect children against abuse (or actually help them)
The age of consent goes low as 14 in Europe but that doesn't change the definition of CP. Probably they won't prosecute when both parties are underage and such so heavily but consent age doesn't change the fact that nudity is 18+.
Nudity is 18+ in extremist countries like the Emirates or the USA.
Sorry but in France, 30 years ago before american culture started to dictate where money come from, you would see genitals from all genders and ages in movies.
Nobody found it offensive, because we didn't have a catholic puritan morality to impose its sick twisted vision of the human body on us.
Meanwhile we sold car by showing cars, not hot girls. But this apparently is ok because money.
It's also perfectly alright to show kids image of people killing each others in mass. Because this is sane, unlike nipples.
Indeed. But it strikes me that the places with the most rigorous enforcement of theological dominance also have the worst child abuse problems. Or, as an AI would decide, men in robes can't be trusted.
Well if you tell people they are sinners for being humans (having body parts), you get frustrated humans.
I have been in very rigid religous countries. The men in the internet shops were all whatching hardcore porn, and my female friends were harassed in the street.
So it's not men in robes, you can be deeply religious and have a and loving view of the world.
But puritanism, and sexually frustrated people ashamed of even existing, are bound to generate unhappiness.
> the places with the most rigorous enforcement of theological dominance also have the worst child abuse problems.
Citation needed. The data doesn't back up that claim, contrary to the media's narrative.
A report which Christian Ministry Resources (CMR) released in 2002 stated that contrary to popular opinion, there are more allegations of child sexual abuse in Protestant congregations than there are in Catholic ones, and that sexual violence is most often committed by volunteers rather than by priests.
Catholic clergy aren't more likely to abuse children than other clergy or men in general. The 4 percent figure appears lower than school teachers during the same time frame, and certainly less than offenders in the general population of men.
You mean like in movies, those "can't see boobies before you're 18" labels? Because capturing a nude 13-year-olds is perfectly legal, just not in a pornographic manner. E.g. my Dutch biology book had nude ~6 and ~11 year old girls depicted (as well as an adult) for educating different stages of development.
