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I am always amazed by the assumptions people make :)

What do you disagree with?

I have family living in China, and I live in Portugal. Why do you like nationalism so much and feel so threatened by the loss of your nation as an identity? Why is it not enough to just be human surrounded by other humans who are identical to you?



Because the average western urbanite that would become the majority in a federal EU thinks vastly differently from me. I identify with a lot of groups other than my nationality but I always felt 0% European mainly because of the amount of insanity going on to west of where I am.

As far as I'm concerned I can't wait for this whole shitshow to end up on the chopping block.


How do they think differently than you?Where are you based?

My guess is you want to live in an unpolluted environment where the land/water doesn't make you sick, eat food that doesn't kill you, if you want/have kids to know they will have the chance of a good life and good education, have a government free from corruption, know that your legal system treats everyone as fair and equally as possible as a goal, have fair labor practices, and generally be treated with respect. etc...

We are all the same, the differences are amplified to a crazy amount and they shouldn't define us.


>How do they think differently than you?

Answering this to the fullest extent may or may not get this account banned. Since I intend on keeping it, let's just say my views differ on almost all currently controversial social issues and some but not all economical ones.

>Where are you based?

Rural Hungary. Contrary what you may be thinking right now, I'm not an Orbán voter.

>My guess is you want to live in an unpolluted environment where the land/water doesn't make you sick, eat food that doesn't kill you, if you want/have kids to know they will have the chance of a good life and good education, have a government free from corruption, know that your legal system treats everyone as fair and equally as possible as a goal, have fair labor practices, and generally be treated with respect. etc...

Indeed. I just do not think the EU helped any of these issues on a level that requires greater coordination than a nation state can provide. To give you some examples, They failed to grow a spine and stand up to the US in any way. Big Tech,espionage,military and the general economic grip the US has are great examples of this.

Another structural problem I have is the endless bureaucracy that corrupts the whole machine from top to bottom. The other day I attempted to interpret a directive amendment I have read conflicting news about and I gave up halfway through because the whole thing is so verbose and unintelligble (+ riddled with basic logical problems) I just gave up. I'm not a law expert by any means(though I can interpret Hungarian law mostly fine on my own) but if a person like me can't parse the drivel they spew endlessly, how could the average citizen meaningfully engage with the process? I think we need less complexity in the chain of command not more.

Lastly, they are so damn far away. How are we supposed to drag EU bureaucrats out to the streets when they become lamppost positive? This might be a minor thing but I can't imagine this very "safe" distance between us the people and them is healthy for democracy.


>Answering this to the fullest extent may or may not get this account banned.

I think you will find that you have a lot more in common with people globally than you think. It is a trap to focus on the differences and our mind tries to build those into huge walls when they are usually pretty small hedges.

> I'm not a law expert by any means(though I can interpret Hungarian law mostly fine on my own) but if >a person like me can't parse the drivel they spew endlessly, how could the average citizen >meaningfully engage with the process? I think we need less complexity in the chain of command not >more.

I think that gets to the guts of an ongoing discussion the world is having. Do we want direct democracy or do we want to elect people who take care of that for us as a representative democracy? I think you could make a good argument that normal citizens are better off not knowing some things. Especially since most/all issues are super complex and it would take years to learn about them. For example, your comment on EU policy toward the USA... the answer is it is complex and you can only see maybe 10% of what is happening in that regard.

>Lastly, they are so damn far away. How are we supposed to drag EU bureaucrats out to the streets when >they become lamppost positive? This might be a minor thing but I can't imagine this very "safe" >distance between us the people and them is healthy for democracy.

Vote? Bureaucrats are supposed to run the systems, your reps represent you. The entire system can always be improved, but you have plenty of neighbors and friends in local government I would imagine.




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