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Your reaction is very common, there is probably a name for such thing, because it's a paradox. People always say "this or that is unsignificant to global warming", but all contributors to pollution are insignificant, it's the accumulation of all of them that makes it what it is, and with this kind of reaction, things just keep getting worse

Not only do I agree with this thing about electric efficient stoves, but I think we push our lifestyles much more in favor of environment, like not really "I have respect for the environment, and I drive an electric car", but more "I have respect for the environment, and I ride a bicyle" this means more to me (electric cars are still a large source of pollution, from their components: plastics, electronics, to the batterires, their maintenances..)




A lot of people seem unaware that many dishes can not be cooked with anything but a gas stove, including practically the entire Chinese cuisine. Electric stoves simply aren't a workable replacement in this case.

I work in earth science, I know how bad methane is a greenhouse gas. The comment on top is absolutely right in that the line has to be drawn somewhere for a sensible approach though. Your bike example, the factories making these bikes still pollute, steel is a major source of pollution actually. So we should all walk!

You see, there is no end to it once we get started and don't have a plan.


> You see, there is no end to it

It's a compromise, but those compromises should be more toward environment, less toward personal comfort (like hearing they use gas stoves because it makes something taste a little better, is a bit ridiculous). My footprint is very small, not 0% (electric cars showing "100% electric, 0% pollution" is not honest, I see the good intent behind, but let's not lie), I've one bike collected from garbage, the other is second-hand, even replaced tyres from thrown-out wheels. This compromise is good because it's also give me a good health, immune system, things like covid is not really a concern for me, at least far behind road accidents

There's already a significant difference between this kind of basic bike and a full blown competition bike with all sorts of electronics devices. And the difference with a car is another level, just considering the weight of it (all kind of road kills it does, road damage, ..) and all services needed to maintain to fuel those cars, all the hidden indirect pollution, that's what people don't consider.

If people reduced all their footprint by a half, we would in short/mid term pollute twice less globally, so it's defnitely worth trading some lifestyle habbits for environment friendly ones


So the exact level of pollution you produce is good, people should all live the same way you do?

I grew up in a developing country without heating or aircon. I remember having frostbite on my feet some winters. Most of the food we ate was brought from the local farms straight to the market. No shipping stuff around the world, no cooling etc. I also biked everywhere and still do. If you're from a first world country, just by existing there and living the most basic life you're already responsible for so much CO2 it will be hard to ever catch up. So please give up everything and revert to monke before preaching to me.

But seriously: Moralizing doesn't help. People need better education so they understand energy issues, which they currently don't. Instead everyone repeats believe the science™ or such mantras, but they never actually look at the science. Once they have an understanding, as societies we need to figure out rules that work for most people, not just edge cases. It's good you ride your bike and I do to, but it's not a solution for everyone, some people will still need to drive cars. On the same note the push to make all cars electric is idiotic. The other day I saw they introduced electric highway patrol cars in New York, who on earth would think that to be a good idea?! I work in earth science and the amount of myths people believe about energy and climate related topics is insane. The lack of understanding makes them easy targets for misinformation by the energy lobby, the car industry and other actors with ulterior motives.


Totally agreed with you, about education, and sorry, nothing against you, reacting more on the article and global behaviors. I know I still have a footprint, I consume a bit of electricity (powering my low-energy laptop, a bit of light the evening, and cooking rice, that's pretty much all, I don't even have a fridge, no kidding), tap water, not much but still (like I don't wash my clothes often, few time a year probly), planning to have dry toilets, not easy in an apartment, but I'll try.

I don't preach for my way to optimize things which is a bit extreme, just for a more achievable end result: cutting by a half our footprints. People can take more pblic transports, train, avoid planes, consume more local food, consume less overall etc..




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