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You think it’s unusual for a government to limit or put stipulations on what you can send into their country?


I don't care if it's "unusual" or not - I'm just pointing out that the legal model you're espousing will inevitably result in a siloed internet. Don't shoot the messenger.


I’m not espousing a legal model at all. I’m just pointing out that literally no government in history has ever said “you can send whatever you want into our country with no restrictions.”


That’s how the internet worked in most countries until recently.

In any case, once again it’s irrelevant. Whatever your justification for it, this behavior will lead to internet siloization.


You’re confusing the Internet with services that use the Internet to do business. The former is just a delivery mechanism for the latter, which is what’s being regulated.

Plenty of countries require you to register for sales tax once you establish a presence in their country, whether you sell goods or services. No business operating in this environment thinks it’s unreasonable to do so. Once again “their house, their rules.”


> You’re confusing the Internet with services that use the Internet to do business.

No, you are confusing sending information with “doing business”.


The world has changed quite a bit. Sending information IS doing business these days, the world is digital.


Laws don’t give a damn about data packets: they’re interested in the real world outcomes which are the services those packets enable. If you can’t understand this then I’m not wasting any more time explaining the basics of real life to you.


Unusual, no. Unjust, yes, and impractical besides. If (unlike me) you accept the legal fiction that a country's government "owns" everything within its self-proclaimed official borders, with all the corresponding rights of a property owner within that domain, then they can either block the communication at the border or impose requirements on those living within, provided that anyone who doesn't care to agree to those rules is free to leave without further penalty. In any case, their jurisdiction does not extend to any party (or parties) to the communication outside their physical borders.


It’s unjust for a government to regulate what enters its borders from another country? So you’re suggesting that the U.K. should allow assault rifles to be sold from the USA, in spite of the fact they’re outright illegal to own inside the borders of the U.K.

Why is it unjust when literally the entire U.K. population is in support of this position?


> Why is it unjust when literally the entire U.K. population is in support of this position?

Obviously not "literally the entire U.K. population" if someone in the U.K. isn't following the rule.

This is a complex subject and I'm not going to get into it here, but the Cliff's Notes version is basically that the U.K. government is not a party to this transaction, is not harmed by it, and does not represent (as in: having a formal, revocable agent/principal relationship with) anyone who is either a party to the transaction or harmed by it, and thus has no standing to interfere. The justice or injustice of the matter is unaffected by whether the government's interference would be popular.


Put simply: your logic is insane and no government adopts it, for good reason.

Longer version: governments adopt rules based on what works for them and their population. This includes rules that govern what can and can’t be sold in a business transaction. This is a principle as old as government itself. It makes sense that governments then apply these rules to things going in and out of its borders. It would be nuts to ban the sale of guns inside a country but allow them to be sold into the country, for example.


> This includes rules that govern what can and can’t be sold in a business transaction. This is a principle as old as government itself.

If we're talking about a "business transaction" as in an exchange of physical goods across the border, then I agree. I said that it was unjust, not that it was without precedent. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I believe in the concept of government itself. The core of what government is, and does, is unjust. Arguing that governments have always done things this way carries zero weight with me.

Applying these rules (or any rules) to the non-commercial exchange of information, or even to commercial services involving no exchange of physical property, is the recent, and more immediately concerning, development.

> It would be nuts to ban the sale of guns inside a country…

I agree with you up to that point. But if they want to ban the import of "wireless handheld hold punchers" or any other contraband they should do that at the border, by stopping the shipments—which at that point consist of the buyer inside the country attempting to import their own property after the sale—and not by attempting to impose their internal rules on foreign sellers. Residents could buy them but would have to keep them outside the country, perhaps using them only while visiting the country the goods were in at the time of the sale, or somewhere else where they are legal.


Except the entire debate started because of the statement that this is new legal precedent.

I’m not interested in whether you believe in government or not because that’s debating a fantasy world that simply doesn’t exist.




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