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Even the term antivaxxer in this case is divisive and kind of presupposes that everyone should be a provaccer. Since we are not going for herd immunity, everyone should assees their own chances before making an informed decision, which in the vast majority of cases will be to vaccinate themselves. But there are specific sideeffects in specific groups that have been documented


I'm old enough that I had measles as a kid, my grandma had polio as a kid wore a leg brace her entire life, rubella and the associated birth defects were a thing in the community - when I was a kid EVERYONE was a pro-vaxxer, they were the medical miracle that were changing people's lives - IMHO the main reason we have antivaxxers today is because we haven't been telling these family stories to our kids

Why not go for herd immunity? maybe we should be releasing (suitably tested) live vaccines


I should have said there are 2 meanings of antivaxer in this context. One is the kooks who are/were against all vaccines and nother is the people who are suspicious of the covid vaccines. Those groups are separate and must be treated differently

Herd immunity in the general population will probably be impossible unless the areas that reach it choose to lock themselves from the rest of the world https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/28/opinion/herd-immunity-cov...


Uh, we're definitely going for herd immunity. The bar for that is actually quite close to being met in some countries, including the US (if you combine past infections and vaccinated people).




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