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Yes, compared to cars even a decade ago modern cars are very bloated. Have you seen an original 500 from the 50's/60's or 70's? They weighed around 1100 lbs. A modern base trim Fiat 500 weighs around 2400 lbs.

We all realize it's due to safety, but a lot of sports cars have gotten progressively less fun as a result. The M3 is no longer a small nimble sedan. It's larger than the 5 series was from only 2 generations ago. That's all he's pointing out.



Well then I have to disagree. A motorcycle helmet is not bloat compared to wearing a sock on your head. Sure an old car might be more fun but safety isn't bloat. AC units are.


I already acknowledged the size increase is due to safety. It's not an opinion that modern cars are physically larger and heavier than they were only a few generations ago. There's nothing to disagree with. The M3 (now called M4) has become an entirely different class of vehicle.

2021 G80 M4 length: 189.1″, width: 74.3″, curb weight: 3,840 to 3,890 lbs

2011 E92 M3 length: 180.4 to 181.8″, width: 71 to 71.5″, curb weight: 3,704

2001 E46 M3 length: 176.8", width: 70.1", curb weight: 3415 lbs.

2021 M5 length: 196.4″, width: 74.9″, curb weight: 4,345 lbs

2010 M5 length: 191.5, width: 72.7, curb weight: 4,012

2001 M5 length: 188.4″, width: 70.9″, curb weight: 4,024 lbs


The contention is with your use of "bloat", which implies that the extra size is useless, or at least not worthwhile.


The 3/4 series grew in size so much that they introduced the 1/2 series to fill the void of a small coupe. They didn't have to increase the physical dimensions by over a foot in length and nearly half a foot in width. It completely changed the driving dynamics. So, yes, it was absolutely is not worthwhile considering they decided to make a replacement for it after realizing that they alienated a lot of enthusiasts.




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