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I always provide sources for my facts. See above. The parent comment was an opinion. Meanwhile, you don't have access to a long-term study on any Covid treatment, because not enough time has passed. That's not misinformation. That's math.

Blood clots cause strokes. You have no idea if Covid treatment increases your odds of having a stroke in 10 years. I invite you to study the history of various medical treatments that turned out to have unintended consequences on unsuspecting populations. Good luck either way. Stay healthy and stay free.



Negatives are generally hard to prove.

For example, you can't easily prove that your comment here is not causing me to develop a blood clot if I develop one.

Which is why we try to prove positives: who else has developed a blood clot after reading your comment? Is there any correlation? Anything to suggest there is causation too? What would be the hypothesis.

You are right that vaccines are not proven to be perfectly safe (and to be honest, none of them are even with longer testing time). But you are still muddying the waters by throwing these "prove a negative" statements.

The risk with coronavirus vaccines today is that the risks are not fully known (unlike with other, more established, vaccines for other diseases). Risks of getting coronavirus is also not fully established, though we know it can be pretty severe.

It would be only natural to expect some similar immune response from COVID and vaccines causing similar issues in the body, but that's totally hypothetical until proven to be the case.

Data so far points that it's much less likely for someone to develop issues from a vaccine than from COVID itself (roughly 10000 less likely at least), so it's up to the individual to assess if they are less likely to contract COVID and get serious symptoms, or get serious symptoms out of vaccination.


> roughly 10000 less likely at least

No source.

Also statistically unknowable at this point. But a 34 and under year old already has less than a 1 in 100K chance of dying from Covid. That is to say, an under 34 year old is more likely to die of murder than die of Covid. Anywhere from 4-10x more likely in the U.S. depending on the city.

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_dea...


We never really exposed general population of under 34s to unmitigated coronavirus (perhaps March/April 2020 in USA or Sweden in 2020 is closest we got to it), but even that is uncontrolled for people deciding to reduce exposure to other people on their own.

"10000 less likely" was derived from 1 in 6 million compared to a global death rate of roughly 2%, then allowing for roughly an order of magnitude error: not scientific at all, I agree.

Taking your numbers as undisputable while not acknowledging that they are as uncertain as "the other side" is a bit dishonest in my opinion.


Accepting your stats here, but what about consequences other than death? A friend in their late 30s just had to relearn how to walk and was in a coma for weeks after getting COVID. Months later he still isn't able to work full time.


Care to provide your source for people being vaccinated against their will?



Literally nothing in that link suggests anybody will be forced to get a vaccine against their will.


Imagine having to do 10 year studies on any drug before releasing it.


Isn't that the average for a new drug?

"The full research, development and approval process can last from 12 to 15 years."

"If the FDA gives the green light, the investigational drug will then enter three phases of clinical trials:

Phase 1: About 20 to 80 healthy volunteers to establish a drug's safety and profile, and takes about 1 year. Safety, metabolism and excretion of the drug are also emphasized. Phase 2: Roughly 100 to 300 patient volunteers to assess the drug's effectiveness in those with a specific condition or disease. This phase runs about 2 years. Groups of similar patients may receive the actual drug compared to a placebo (inactive pill) or other active drug to determine if the drug has an effect. Safety and side effects are reviewed. Phase 3: Typically, several thousand patients are monitored in clinics and hospitals to carefully determine effectiveness and identify further side effects. Different types and age ranges of patients are evaluated. The manufacturer may look at different doses as well as the experimental drug in combination with other treatments. This phase runs about about 3 years on average."

https://www.drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html


Your longest phase there is 3 years. The length of observation of any individual in that phase will be less.

If you had had observations of subjects lasting 10 years - your overall process would be much much longer than 10-12 years.




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