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A KKK member could presumably still buy food if banned from a grocery store for preaching hate speech at the grocery store, they would just have to hire someone to do the shopping for them.

In America there is no right to food or shelter so I don't know why this concern is raised in a discussion of free speech?



> In America there is no right to food or shelter

Yes, there definitely is. Food and shelter are vital to life. I seem to recall something about life liberty and happiness in some obscure little read part of the constitution. Let me know if you see it on a re-read.

(Please don’t go off and try and claim that rights are things anyone else has to provide)

Aside from the obvious issues with banning someone from buying food for having the wrong thoughts - which I should just be able to end right there because how insane is that!? - there are points to be made about:

- protected classes and not needing them all enumerated before you are forced to treat people well even if they are mean

- ethically not being a fascist that would block people from buying food for disagreeing with them, and congrats, this is actual fascism

- generally just minding your own fucking business about how wrong someone is and being able to separate even awful beliefs from participation in other aspects of society

- and most importantly not short-sightedly canceling people because tomorrow it might be you that has the unpopular idea, as unbelievable as I’m sure you could find that


> Yes, there definitely is. Food and shelter are vital to life. I seem to recall something about life liberty and happiness in some obscure little read part of the constitution. Let me know if you see it on a re-read.

You are mistaken, and have confused the US declaration of independence (not a legal document, more of a philosophical one) with the US constitution (a binding legal document).

I did a re-read to be sure, as you suggested. I saw it in the declaration, not the constitution.

GP is right, however: you have a right to life, but nowhere in there do you have a right to not be kicked out of grocery stores and restaurants, or to be provided food by any second party.

I think perhaps you should tone down the condescension in your comment. :(


There's no right to life in the constitution, either. If there was, the U.S. would not be able to execute criminals.


The declaration makes the foundational claim that the right to life (et c) is inherent in mankind regardless of the existence or opinions of the state or the written law.

It's a shame the constitution didn't incorporate it by reference, but the declaration clearly claims (philosophical) superiority over the (legal) constitution.

It still doesn't say anything about food vendors. :)


Did you really just state "Please don’t go off and try and claim that rights are things anyone else has to provide" while arguing a supermarket has to provide food and Twitch has to provide a platform to everyone? Huh?

U.S. citizens do not have a right to food.

At first I thought the problem was not understanding the legal system, but your misunderstanding is not even consistent, suggesting your just making things up ad hoc.




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