Who determines what is fair? Is it not The People? The point is that government employees shouldn't need a union because the voters should be enacting laws and electing leaders who make fair policies. Also, that the government services that people rely on should not be held hostage by the workers.

It's charming you think that we people to try and achieve a fair outcome. The incentives are way, way out of line for that.

Tribalism rules the day, even in the face of more or less objective facts.

Collectively bargaining to ensure you are being treated fairly is not holding anyone hostage. Your melodramatic language doesn't do your argument any favors. Folks like our mail carriers deserve to be treated well, to have decent pay and functional equipment. Yet legislators time and time again do what they can to cut funding and decrease worker compensation.

"It's charming you think that we people to try and achieve a fair outcome.

Tribalism rules the day, even in the face of more or less objective facts."

It's charming that you think unions try to achieve a fair outcome. Aren't they a tribe fighting for a they can get? I've seen businesses go under due to never ending demands.

"Collectively bargaining to ensure you are being treated fairly is not holding anyone hostage. Your melodramatic language doesn't do your argument any favors."

And your condescending language doesn't do your argument any favors. The ability of the workers to hold the services hostage from the people until thier demands are met, is very much true. This can be extremely inconvenient, in cases such as teacher strikes, even forcing some people to miss work to stay home with the kids.

"Yet legislators time and time again do what they can to cut funding and decrease worker compensation."

This isn't always bad. Do you really think the government should be giving everyone a pension? It would make sense to move people from defined benefits plans to defined contribution plans. This brings them in line with the vast majority of industry.