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Why was this downvoted?


I think it was downvoted because of his sidenote on Marxism.


note that many snide comments about Christianity exist in this discussion. They're not down voted. This place is becoming a left-wing echo chamber.


Tech industry in general is suffering the same fate. If your views run counter to what’s trending and work in tech you’re putting your job at risk if you communicate them.


Like what?


I'm perhaps a little sensitive to this and may have overstated things. The comment in particular I was thinking of has indeed been down voted now.

I do see it in maybe a less overt way in a lot of comments on HN. There are comments in this discussion blaming a lack of social programs in the US for the problem. Things like that. There's nothing wrong with believing that, but the counter arguments don't get much visibility around here.


I didn't downvote it. But the closing line about Marxism seems both dubious and, at most, tangentially relevant.


It is accurate, based on both The Communist Manifesto (1848) and The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State (1884).


Can you offer more specific citations -- say, to particular passages?


The relevant passages are far too long to quote here.

I suggest reading chapter 2 (starting at "Abolition of the family!") for the first, and chapter 2.3 and 2.4 for the second.


Citing 3 facts and then adding a sidenote about how Marxism wants this is indirectly implying that Marxism is a noteworthy cause.

I don't believe Marxism is a primary cause.

While I don't really know anything about Marxism, I doubt it baselessly advocates for the removal of family structures without something to replace it like community engagement

It's annoying to hear people preach about the woes of Marxism, because, and this is a biased US perspective, a very small proportion of left leaning individuals would ever describe themselves as Marxist. People doing so would be seen as holding extreme opinions. Hearing fearmongering about communists comes off as a red flag that someone's out of touch with reality and fearful of the amorphous blog that is "the left". It comes off as an implicit strawman. Attacking Marxism as means to undermine the credibility of the left is eye-rollingly tiresome to hear. And yeah, of course, comes with plausible deniability. Nothing good will come of that comment but an unpleasant debate of predictably mainstream left folks arguing semantically that marxism doesn't matter, a fringe actual marxist doing their own thing, and a conservative viewpoint playing off both to say "look there's marxist" or "well I saw this extreme opinion on twitter so no".


https://www.csustan.edu/sites/default/files/History/Faculty/...

Marxism and Marxist-influenced movements are also very represented in academia, which naturally makes them influential among the literati at large.


That's great, but also, nobody cares about the opinions of "the litearti". Actual political structures are pretty clear. Marxism is not a popular ideology in America by any definition.


I think you are uninformed in contemporary critical theory and other popular movements, most of which are absolutely influenced by Marxism, if they aren’t strictly Marxists or Marxians themselves.




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