So? I’m not worried about the effects on others if I squirt peptides and chitosan up my nose. I’m worried about the effect on me.
A homemade vaccine is both unlikely to be effective (and therefore do nothing for others) and probably more likely to harm me personally than covid. It’s certainly the greater harm for most people.
The risk of permanent smell changes, possible neurological changes, and a chance of hospitalisation and death from COVID is unlikely to be smaller than ingesting a microscopic quantity of a peptide.
Disagree because you’re looking at it as if my options are get Covid or take homemade vaccine.
I can pretty easily avoid Covid for the couple more months it’ll take before I get a real vaccine, so it’s low danger for me. I’m also younger and healthier so my risk if I get it is quite small. High enough that I’m modifying my life to avoid it, but still pretty small.
And since I think the homemade Covid vaccine is unlikely to work, it is unlikely to decrease the odds of any of the things you mentioned anyway.
However squirting strange chemicals up your nose adds risk. People die from Neti pots and that’s just water.
If I’m currently faced with the choices of taking a homemade vaccine or not taking a homemade vaccine, the latter is clearly the less dangerous course of action. I think that’s the spirit of the comment to which we were all replying, and it’s the actual choice being discussed.
Now if I were an 85 y/o diabetic in a nursing home and there weren’t a vetted vaccine available that might be different.
> If I’m currently faced with the choices of taking a homemade vaccine or not taking a homemade vaccine, the latter is clearly the less dangerous course of action. I think that’s the spirit of the comment to which we were all replying, and it’s the actual choice being discussed.
Well, the actual content of the comment we’re all replying to is a mix of “it’s impossible for a non-expert to come up with an idea that’s worth experimenting with for anyone” and haughty derision about Rationalism and what the commenter perceives as the “hubris” that goes along with that.
What the original comment misses is that the people who came up with this protocol are not pitching it as anything other than an experiment for themselves and maybe others who are interested — they make no safety claims, no claims about the real vaccines, no claims that it’s a good idea, etc., and no one is arguing that taking a homemade vaccine is good or better than the real vaccines or other precautions, which seems to be the strawman you’re debating in your post.
That said, historically, a significant number of vaccines were demonstrated to work initially by the inventors trying them on themselves and then challenging themselves with live virus.
The fact that at it’s not a good idea for the average person to try a homemade vaccine (and to be clear: we are 100% in agreement here) does not imply that the original radvac authors here should not have put together their protocol.
This is obviously false in the case that an error is made in the process. E.g. someone vaccinates themselves with a live virus, or possibly accidentally engineers an even more virulent strain.
If you are making your vaccine from artificial peptides that are a hundred times shorter than a live virus, this seems unlikely. There was no way for live virus to be introduced into this process.
The parent said "Homemade vaccines are not contagious (just stating the obvious). ", they didn't say "homemade vaccines made from artificial peptides are not contagious".
