If curious see also

2020 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23965209

2018 (a bit) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17383881

2017 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15335462

2017 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15594542 rediscussed recently https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25258626

2016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11118274

Also: related from a couple weeks ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25824399

related from a few months ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24534274

related from 2019 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21826974