From your initial post, I just thought it was about over-development. I didn't expect to be about demographics and ethnicity, specifically maintaining your idea of CA's racial "purity". Consequently, I was very confused when you asked me to leave CA.

> The prevailing rhetoric of California being "bad" is mostly political and has racist anti-liberal roots. By shutting down counter views you're allowing those racist viewpoints to prosper

Let me get this straight, by calling you out on your racist viewpoints, I am allowing racist viewpoints to fester? That totally makes sense.

Who cares if other racist viewpoints have white, conservative roots? Racism is bad, period, regardless of its origins, the ideology of the people holding those ideas, and whether or not it's systemic. As shown by your own comments, conservatives do not have a monopoly on racism either.

> And by the way, none of your rhetoric counters what is historical fact.

That's great counter-argument with no details or facts, other than the slivers you've previously provided that I've quickly shut down. I guess your newest comment isn't rhetoric either?

> The plurality of California are not Hispanic by pure accident.

Yes, CA promotes diversity, yet you lament not having a more homogeneous population. The only difference between your views and "America First" proponents' view is the ethnicity being supported.

> Lastly, it should be possible to have a rational discussion about demographics on this site without people over reacting and name calling.

Forgive me for pointing out thinly veiled racist comments on HN. It's a natural conclusion to assume that racists comments are made by a racist. I am not over reacting. I initially assumed good faith and gave you the benefit of the doubt for too long. You're just downplaying your BS.

Let's revisit your BS before you delete it:

"_You_ go to Idaho and Wyoming.

California is our state."

So apparently according to your view point, California is only for "Californios", Hispanics who originated from Mexico?

"My qualms are more with the demographic changes these massive migrations brought.

Just very greedy overly ambitious and pretentious people.

To me they make terrible neighbors and have zero regard for the land, nature or the people here.

Some I assume are good people but I haven't met any."

I don't even have to comment on this one. It speaks for itself, especially the last line. Since you're really into semantics, let's define racist:

racist - a person who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group with the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance

I hate racists too which is why I prefer not having them in my state.

What does this non-sequitur have to do with anything written so far? With you alluding to be a liberal, you've just proven that racism transcends American politics of left and right.

> I hate racists too which is why I prefer not having them in my state.

I am sorry that somewhere along the way you were hurt so much that it would push you to blame all of your misfortunes on another race or ethnic group, similar to poverty stricken members of neo-Nazis and the KKK; but you need to have a hard look in the mirror and do some serious self-introspection.

Let's re-read your comments.

"_You_ go to Idaho and Wyoming. California is our state."

I didn't understand it at the time, but you were telling me that CA only belonged to members of your own ethnic group.

"My qualms are more with the demographic changes these massive migrations brought. Just very greedy overly ambitious and pretentious people. To me they make terrible neighbors and have zero regard for the land, nature or the people here. Some I assume are good people but I haven't met any."

Your comments in just a single thread, really just this specific comment, already meet the textbook definition of a racist. In fact, I can attribute what you just wrote to a white supremacist, and it wouldn't seem out of place.

racist - a person who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group with the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance

If you can't reconcile this and change, then I agree with your statement. I also prefer not having racists in my state and I like diversity because life is richer with it, so it would be nice if racists like yourself left California or the United States entirely, regardless of whether they think they are conservative or liberal. In fact, please leave HN. People with your ideology need to either change or leave.

Maybe you should go educate yourself about what Liberalism is before appointing yourself the racism police on Hackernews.

I'm a liberal and I've said I prefer not having more racists in California with illiberal sentiment. That is the opposite of racist.

There is a long history of America enforcing white racial integrity which you seem to be naive to. As a native Californian I think it's fair to be weary.

I stand by not wanting more transplants in my state and it's not just me.

1. Just because you feel that you're liberal does not mean that you are actually a liberal.

2. You can identify as a liberal and still be a racist. e.g. your ideals of "egalitarianism" only seem to apply to you fellow "Californios" and no one else

> Maybe you should go educate yourself about what Liberalism is before appointing yourself the racism police on Hackernews.

I've already proven based on your comments alone that you hold racist views. Let me remind you the definition of a racist again, since you keep forgetting and ignoring it.

racist - a person who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group with the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance

How do you not fit the definition of a racist based on your previous comments? Let me remind you that your very first comment for me was essentially, "Leave my home, it only belongs to my people (who are racially / ethnically similar to me)". How is that much different from "Go back to your own country?"

Maybe we should have HN decide who is right and who is wrong? Your views do not belong here.

> There is a long history of America enforcing white racial integrity which you seem to be naive to. As a native Californian I think it's fair to be weary.

You're not wrong that America has a long history of racism in favor of white Anglos. I'm not disputing that. However, I think you're the one who needs a history lesson, instead of believing in your revisionist version. While the Calfornios were mixed, being multi-generational descendants of both conquistadors and indigenous people, they were by and large culturally still the same as their conquistador ancestors. They served European royalty to take and subvert land and native peoples for the Spanish crown by any means necessary. The first Calfornios were soldiers. All of this is well documented.

"Spanish and Mexican rule were devastating for native populations. 'As the missions grew, California’s native population of Indians began a catastrophic decline.' Gregory Orfalea estimates that pre-contact population was reduced by 33% during the Spanish and Mexican regimes. Most of the deaths stemmed from imported diseases and the disruption of traditional ways of life, but violence was common, and some historians have charged that life in the missions was close to slavery."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_genocide

The Spanish conquistadors' descendants were no better than their English counterparts when it came to colonization and brutality. "Californios" are also not the same people as California's native population.

> I stand by not wanting more transplants in my state and it's not just me.

The popularity of a belief does not guarantee that it's actually moral or ethical. Your views are not acceptable on HN and they do not belong on HN.