> Praying Medic misunderstands Bush v Gore. SCOTUS took the extraordinary step in that ruling of declaring the circumstances so unique that the case should not be cited as common-law precedent. Anyone citing it has to explain why the Court should disregard SCOTUS's own guidance not to cite it. Even if they do, its particulars don't generally apply to the cases the Trump campaign is bringing
Bush v Gore isn't intended to apply in the cases the Trump campaign is bringing. It will apply to cases brought against state legislatures by Democrats. However, those cases will be too late to change anything.
> Imposing martial law would simply be the death of American democracy, not some master chess move.
But, blue states and cities are already under martial law, and most Americans can see it. The Insurrection act will end up invoked, like it has been in the past.
> We'd just be another nation where a tyrant tried military force to keep his power illegitimately. Sowing doubt in the legitimate process to justify a power grab is right out of the playbook.
Yet, conservatives see it the other way, where a dictator tried fraud, sedition and treason to seize power illegitimately. Doubt in the legitimate process started the moment election observers were ordered to leave, when counting was stopped the night of Nov. 3rd.
Its only a conspiracy theory until proven. I'm not telling you what should happen, I'm telling you to prepare yourself, because this will happen.
It wouldn't be the first time a population is gripped by a conspiracy theory explaining their woes with fantasy instead of fact. Again, Germany before World War II.
That doesn't make it right or just, and if it happens, the people that history will recognize as the freedom fighters will be ones who take up arms against it.
I don't see it as guaranteed as you seem to, possibly because I'm not watching conspiracy theorists at the level you seem to be. In the real world, while it's illegal to say so because military law prevents denigrating the commander-in-chief, 2/3 of the military hates Trump's guts and will not follow his orders if he tells them to turn guns on citizens nationwide. And were it to happen, the military at the federal level would be fighting the various national guards, because there's no way governors of most states will cede that power.
> It's only a conspiracy theory until proven
Conspiracy theories are never proven, that's what makes them conspiracy theories. They make wrong predictions and then move the goal posts when those predictions don't come to fruition. in this case, it's the same conspiracy that believed there was a pedophilia ring operating out of the basement of a pizza parlor with no basement.
I'll be interested, academically, to see how QAnon moves the goal posts yet again when the Supreme Court refrains from hearing the petitions to throw out Pennsylvania votes.
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But there is no evidence to suggest that any theft of voter registration data could’ve had an impact on the election in Arizona. It’s possible to simply buy voter data from Maricopa County, costing as little as $328 for 1 million or more records. The systems used to count votes in Maricopa County were not affected. And despite fears of foreign interference and voter fraud, the DHS’ Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) has stated the 2020 election was the “most secure in American history.”
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The story appears to degrade the stolen election conspiracy theory, not reinforce it.
And now I read SCOTUS has asked for arguments tomorrow morning in the Pennsylvania case, eliminating safe harbor protection for those electors. Seems to me that if they don't rule tomorrow, those electors get thrown out.
This is like one North Korean telling another that their illustrious leader is a despotic ruler, and the other one retorts, "Then why doesn't The Pyongyang Times say so?"
I've given you everything you need to understand. You'll know I was right when you wake up one morning and see the news anchors on CNN wearing battle dress uniforms.
The fact we are having this conversation indicates a key difference between our situation and the situation in North Korea.
Another is that the Pyongyang Times is state-owned. Military.com is owned by Monster, the job placement company. They have no incentive to lie about something like this and every reason to drop a scoop if there's a scoop to drop. But there isn't a scoop to drop, because this is a simple issue of fact.
You have given me everything I need to understand. I've spent time hanging out with flat-Earthers and I recognize the telltales of a conspiracy theory---disjoint from commonly-accepted facts and a widening gyre of organizations that have to be "in" on the conspiracy to maintain it. So far, this one encompasses every mainstream media outlet (since they are consistent on a raid in Germany never having happened), a Presidency that has lost dozens of court cases yet is secretly super-genius, multiple layers of the intelligence community, and an army division that by all accounts is a training division but, says the conspiracy, is in reality a super secret special ops division.
Hm... that rings a bell. I remember when people in Texas got upset about the Jade Helm training exercise, believing it to be a front for something sinister, like rounding up all the presidents enemies and putting them into detention centers (https://www.texastribune.org/2018/05/03/hysteria-over-jade-h...). It turns out, that information was sourced to Russian psy-ops, as part of their ongoing campaign to delegitimize the United States government in the eyes of its people by sowing doubt and mistrust. Quite a bit of overlap, I think, with the QAnon conspiracy claims. A conspiracy of multiple independent and often opposed organizations maintaining secrecy about a rigged election, or suppressing information about a CIA operation to raid an election machine manufacturer, strains the limits of credibility. But a Russian psyop inventing a story like that and feeding it to a public convinced that the mainstream media is not to be trusted and looking for alternative sources to find out what's "really going on..." that's not only plausible, it's already happened in the past. The recent past.
Let's assume for the sake of argument that the mainstream media is either corrupt or incompetent and not to be trusted. Why should we trust the alternative sources you link to me instead? Lacking a history of journalistic integrity (or, from what I can tell, any attempt to follow basic journalistic practice, such as validating stories with multiple independent sources), wouldn't the sources you're using be at least as susceptible to state actor manipulation as mainstream media, if not more so? Mainstream media not having the truth doesn't imply that we accept the alternative that the truth can be found at brighteon.com.
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Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in
which four other states run their elections. Nor is that view grounded in any precedent from this Court. Texas does not seek to have the Court interpret the Constitution, so much as disregard it.
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As much as Texas tends to be on the "state's rights" side of things usually, they're really off the bead here. There is, indeed, no legal mechanism by which Texas can say "We have the wrong President because Pennsylvania didn't follow its laws." They could say "Pennsylvania violated Federal voting law via discrimination," but they aren't trying to say that. What they're trying to argue is they suffered harm because PA's laws allow too much chance of fraud, and our government doesn't work that way in general. PA could pass a law saying that everyone gets to write a name on a piece of paper and put it in a giant hat, and the first name drawn is who they'll send their electors to vote for, and there's no grounds by which Texas could contest that. State voting process (barring violations of the 14th Amendment or the Voting Rights Act) are State affairs.
It's the best chance Trump has to somehow become President and it's already DOA.
To be clear, what they have to convince the state legislatures to do is throw out the votes of the states. That doesn't impact only the Presidential election; it takes votes away from legislators that picked up votes on split tickets and disrupts every other race that was run in November.
That's a short trip to never being reelected again, so it's a tall order. One state legislature might be stupid enough to do it. Two is staggeringly unlikely. The margin of victory is too high for it to matter if one does.
I don't know what evidence the link you just provided is supposed to be in this situation; True The Vote fails to indicate why the company in question isn't supposed to have access to that file. And given TTV's history, I don't assume that they know one way or the other.
Bush v Gore isn't intended to apply in the cases the Trump campaign is bringing. It will apply to cases brought against state legislatures by Democrats. However, those cases will be too late to change anything.
> Imposing martial law would simply be the death of American democracy, not some master chess move.
But, blue states and cities are already under martial law, and most Americans can see it. The Insurrection act will end up invoked, like it has been in the past.
> We'd just be another nation where a tyrant tried military force to keep his power illegitimately. Sowing doubt in the legitimate process to justify a power grab is right out of the playbook.
Yet, conservatives see it the other way, where a dictator tried fraud, sedition and treason to seize power illegitimately. Doubt in the legitimate process started the moment election observers were ordered to leave, when counting was stopped the night of Nov. 3rd.
Its only a conspiracy theory until proven. I'm not telling you what should happen, I'm telling you to prepare yourself, because this will happen.