> Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?
This statement was made to suggest that America has gotten away from the reasons it was founded. It is entirely reasonable to discuss the historical reasons for the founding of America, which included the desire of white property owners to be guaranteed "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," without interference from their government. Oh, and they kinda didn't want to pay taxes without representation, either.
Yes, I am massively oversimplifying it here. But, I don't want to sit here and write a draft of the book that it would take to actually cover the subject with sufficient detail and nuance.
People are simply expressing that a police state is scary and those that work for the police state are working against the interests of their citizens and the ethos of the nation. Whether or not that was the original intention of your founders is irrelevant.
The point is that the “ethos of the nation” is, and has always been, authoritarian hegemony — and the intent of the founders in particular was one of the more totalitarian versions of it.
As an American, I would consider that highly relevant. Since you use the phrasing "your founders," I would suggest you have no standing to say otherwise.
Firstly you don't get to tell me what I can and can't consider and what I happen to think is relevant. As for what is relevant, I was talking about the relevance to this particular discussion nor the wider implications.
It was pretty obvious to me what was meant, but at this point it is pretty obvious people want to make it about something else.
Unless you live in America, yes, I do. Stick to your own house. And, maybe learn to read what people actually write, rather than putting your own spin on it. It was clear to me what was meant as well, and you didn't get it.
I don't care if you're convinced of anything by me. You're obviously convinced of whatever ignorant beliefs you have about the US, already. That alone disqualifies you to talk about the origins of my country. Now, run along and spread your mistaken beliefs to someone who cares. I don't care what you think about the US, because I live here, an, you, apparently don't. You have authority to speak about the history of my country, or what its become, until you've lived it.
Oh, I'd consider brushing up on your reading skills, too. You clearly comprehend nothing that's going on in this thread, so stop pushing your distorted, delusional narrative. It doesn't play well here among actual Americans. Maybe there's a reason for that.
> I don't care if you're convinced of anything by me. You're obviously convinced of whatever ignorant beliefs you have about the US, already. That alone disqualifies you to talk about the origins of my country. Now, run along and spread your mistaken beliefs to someone who cares. I don't care what you think about the US, because I live here, an, you, apparently don't. You have authority to speak about the history of my country, or what its become, until you've lived it.
I never claimed to know anything about your history or your country. What I've noticed was the usual perversion of history through the modern lens which does happen in my country in exactly the same manner. I can quite clearly recognise it.
As for "authority". I don't have to ask for your permission and I am glad that obviously annoys you considering your high handedness with me. It is quite funny that an American is soo against people speaking their mind.
> Oh, I'd consider brushing up on your reading skills, too. You clearly comprehend nothing that's going on in this thread, so stop pushing your distorted, delusional narrative. It doesn't play well here among actual Americans. Maybe there's a reason for that.
I know exactly what going on here thankyou. People having differing view points is the spice of life and why people like to converse. Marking those that don't agree with you as "distorted, delusional" won't play well in the long run.
> Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?
This statement was made to suggest that America has gotten away from the reasons it was founded. It is entirely reasonable to discuss the historical reasons for the founding of America, which included the desire of white property owners to be guaranteed "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," without interference from their government. Oh, and they kinda didn't want to pay taxes without representation, either.
Yes, I am massively oversimplifying it here. But, I don't want to sit here and write a draft of the book that it would take to actually cover the subject with sufficient detail and nuance.