If you go look at my other comments over the thread, how I respond very much varies based on context. I spent energy where I think others will actually benefit.
> Among the people I know closely enough, I see almost no one who has changed their minds ever since these discussions started circa 2015.
You've pointed this out yourself, why in the world would I keep beating the dead horse here? Do you think people haven't tried different ways? Why should I expend that effort to people who are clearly dug in to the other side permanently? I look for good-will first to engage with people who appear to be open in some way, like in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25234798
The thing you're missing here is that the purpose of this type of response is not for you or OP. It's to show that this type of response is not blindly agreed upon or grounded. When its espoused with no response or criticism, it has a meaningful negative effect on marginalized people in this industry. To quote someone else on this top level thread:
> When not enough people speak up, that can send an implicit message that some life-sucking background noise from others is OK with everyone else, when it's not.
> Among the people I know closely enough, I see almost no one who has changed their minds ever since these discussions started circa 2015.
You've pointed this out yourself, why in the world would I keep beating the dead horse here? Do you think people haven't tried different ways? Why should I expend that effort to people who are clearly dug in to the other side permanently? I look for good-will first to engage with people who appear to be open in some way, like in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25234798
The thing you're missing here is that the purpose of this type of response is not for you or OP. It's to show that this type of response is not blindly agreed upon or grounded. When its espoused with no response or criticism, it has a meaningful negative effect on marginalized people in this industry. To quote someone else on this top level thread:
> When not enough people speak up, that can send an implicit message that some life-sucking background noise from others is OK with everyone else, when it's not.