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No: he hasn't, and that's confusing to both "the world" as well as waaay too many Americans: the election isn't until mid December, when the electoral college casts its votes. You didn't vote for the president, you voted for what your state will try to vote for in December. Unfortunately, state representatives in the presidential election are not universally required to vote along the state election result, and while rare in the past, the current administration is clearly not above bribery and criminal endeavours to get what they want, when they need it.

(Of course, if that's news to you, then you're probably not in the US right now)

Biden is PROJECTED to win the White House, because that's how US elections work. It looks for all the world that he'll win, but he might not depending on the electoral college: you don't win because the most people voted for you. That's not how elections work in the US.

And before someone goes "what are the odds": this isn't 2016 when people still pretended to honour the system. We have 4 years of established corruption, exploits, and literal criminal behaviour to draw on. Until elected by the electoral college, Biden has not won. And remember that many states merely put a monetary fine on being a faithless electors: it's not even illegal. $1000 to pick the guy who'll pay you back bigger, instead of who the state voted for? Scandalous! But also: entirely legal.



> it's not even illegal.

SCOTUS from 2020:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/unanimous-supreme-co...

See comments below. This decision only means states have the right to penalize, but WI, PA and GA have no such laws.

https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws


That decision didn’t make being a faithless elector illegal; it just confirmed that it’s legal for states to do so.


Also: WI, PA, GA have no such laws:

https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws

Hoo boy.


Which means a state that is loyal to one party could still screw the popular winner. Yikes.


The math is in incredibly against this fever dream. Biden will wind up with 306 electoral votes to Trump's 232. You think he can steal over 30 elector votes against the will of their people?


Sorry, have you been paying attention the last 4 years? If you discount things because "the maths is against it" you maybe underestimate exactly how much of a criminal sociopath the incumbent is. Yes, the maths is against it. Of course it is. Can we therefore assume it won't happen? Not if you care about your democracy surviving.


While what you describe is possible, I really don't think anyone thinks it's at all likely? For example, I would happily give you 10:1 odds against (a) the decision of the electoral college is not what we expected because of faithless electors and then (b) that decision stands.


Obviously I don't think it's likely, but that's not really the point. I literally laughed out loud when I read in the local news earlier today that the president of my country "congratulated Biden with his victory". (AFAIK, he is not some outlier, many of them did, but unfortunately I couldn't find a full list). I mean, we all know that's not how it's formally done, and we all know how important formality always used to be to these folks. With such vigor they should've just appointed Biden the new PotUSA months ago based on some CNN polls and be done with it. Trump would obviously protest, but he is protesting now, so what's the difference?


> we all know that's not how it's formally done, and we all know how important formality always used to be to these folks

But it is how it's been done, for decades. Winning a majority of the electors has been considered winning the presidency for a really long time. For example, from November 9th 1988: https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107377

The electoral college is vestigial, and if it voted in a way different from how its electors had been chosen that would widely be considered stealing the election.


That's because until now, there hasn't been someone who's going to exploit every rule they can, and bribe where it's legal, to stay in power. Stealing the election is perfectly acceptable to the incumbent.


The best way to keep that from happening, though, is emphasis on how the real election is the election for the electors.

Recounts and court challenges are fine, as long as they keep the discussion about making sure that the chosen electors actually represent how people voted. If we start seeing any push to appoint different electors or claims that it would be legitimate for electors to vote a different way, however, we need to pay attention and push back hard.


I'll up that to 50:1.


What is more likely is that some vote recount changes things. It is highly unlikely that an ejector will change their mind.


And up to and including the 2016 election I would have agreed with you, but perhaps you haven't noticed the last four years, which changed this to "no, that's really not as unlikely right now. If they can get away with it, they're almost certainly going to at least try".




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