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The primary use case is watching a movie or listening to music with headphones. Can’t charge and listen without an extra dongle. Apples solution is BT headphone they sell but it’s a bad pattern.


I agree it is a bad pattern. Remove features from a device to force you to buy an alternative accessory. Nowhere else would anybody accept this - eg. a car that came without a steering wheel so you had to buy one.

Next they'll take the screen from the phone and force you to buy an accessory screen!


a car that came without a steering wheel so you had to buy one.

When I bought a new Ford pick-up truck in the 90's, it didn't come with a rear bumper. That was an add-on. I presume because different people will want different rear bumpers (regular, towing, something else).

When I lived in the desert, I regularly saw brand pick-up trucks without tailgates, or with various specialty ones, so I assume those are also optional.


Thanks! Very informative!

What was it like living in the desert? Where abouts was it in the world? Sounds an interesting life.


Fair enough, but I bit the bullet on AirPods Pro earlier this year and have been really impressed.


I've used Apple phones for the last ~10 years but I have held back on AirPods as I've read a few reports from people whos AirPods have lasted ~18 months before the (non-replaceable, because Apple) battery begins to heavily degrade.


non-replaceable, because Apple

Non-replaceable by you because the AirPods are so small.

But they can be replaced by Apple for $49. Or $0 if they're still covered under AppleCare.




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