There are also companies that will help you exercise your options for a cut (you don't need to be independently wealthy).
I don't disagree though - this is part of the risk to factor into the price. I'm not saying it's easy I'm saying it's worth thinking about and not reflexively assigning a value of $0.
It should be a non-zero factor in evaluating a comp package and evaluating the company.
Can you though? Your thesis has been that the majority of your income will be due to equity + appreciation. If you are able to save half your after tax income, which is feasible but requires some frugality, you can't actually afford to exercise + taxes on a stock grant whose EV is equal to your base salary.
Many people complain about how difficult affording a house is in the bay. The tax cost on an equity event is larger than the down payment on an equivalently valued house, and you're casually suggesting to save for it, on a much lower income (since you can't use your equity).
> There are also companies that will help you exercise your options for a cut
As far as I can tell, the terms of these deals mean that unless the price of the stock increases well beyond the strike price when you exercise, you'll get nothing, and even then you're going to end up losing 50%+ of the returns.
I'm not saying that you can't ever come out ahead, obviously some people do. But if you sample startups at random, the median stock value is zero. If you sample private unicorns, the median payout is mich worse than amazon or microsoft.
Startup incomes are still 100-180k in the bay area, this is enough to save up (if you're single out of college, no dependents).
> Many people complain about how difficult affording a house is in the bay.
Yeah bay area housing is stupid, most of us live with a few roommates in a shared house and rent. Most of us are not buying housing here.
> if you sample startups at random, the median stock value is zero. If you sample private unicorns, the median payout is mich worse than amazon or microsoft.
Sure, I was including Amazon/Microsoft in equity comp considerations and if you have a strong offer from them it's harder choice to make. In most cases FAANG (FAANMG?) is the safer option, but you're still valuing the equity it's just a lot lower risk than private company equity.
The initial point was that equity should be considered worthless. All I'm saying is that it's more complicated than that. I don't know why this is such a controversial position?
Is there risk? Yes. Does that mean you should simplify this to $0 equity value? No.
We should accept the complexity and factor that into the decision.
There are also companies that will help you exercise your options for a cut (you don't need to be independently wealthy).
I don't disagree though - this is part of the risk to factor into the price. I'm not saying it's easy I'm saying it's worth thinking about and not reflexively assigning a value of $0.
It should be a non-zero factor in evaluating a comp package and evaluating the company.