> I haven't thrown any hand grenades over the wall. Overly sensitive Elixir programmers always throw a fit whenever someone says "you know, other tools are available to you too."
I don't think anyone would take issue with your comments if that's how you approached it.
Instead you're being an asshole, and for no reason I can understand. It's not like we're talking politics here...
> I don't think anyone would take issue with your comments if that's how you approached it.
I got voted into the floor for saying "you're a better elixir programmer if you also learn erlang," which is a simple fact.
I do think this. I think that most micro-language communities are bizarrely intolerant of criticism, and unwilling to cope with the idea that everylanguagehasproblems and that you can only get good at a language if you face them with open eyes.
Imagine a C programmer getting offended if you warned someone learning C "by the way, if you're doing string parsing, you're gonna have a bad time."
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> Instead you're being an asshole
I love how I've given measurable facts and technical claims, and in order to resist, the members of this community are trotting out swearing and insults, then imagining that they've made a valuable case
> I got voted into the floor for saying "you're a better elixir programmer if you also learn erlang," which is a simple fact.
I don't think that's the case. As an active participant in the various Elixir communities, I've found that the general advice is that learning Erlang, while not necessary, is definitely worth it. Many of the community 'members' do or did plenty of Erlang programming, and the stories of all the 'goodies' and how much simpler Erlang can be at times have more than once gotten me to play around with it. I generally find very little hostility between Elixir and Erlang programmers. Far from it.
I also strongly contest that you're just saying "you're a better elixir programmer if you also learn erlang". At best, some of your comments approach the sentiment, but then end with judging the commenter a blub programmer, or something similar.
I can understand if maybe you've had bad experiences with 'micro-language communities' and you're reading that into what Elixir programmers are saying, but by and large I very rarely come across Elixir programmers who thumb their nose at Erlang. More than anything the sentiment is a kind of reverence and maybe even a degree of 'embarrassment' over finding it hard to get over Erlang syntax.
> I do think this. I think that most micro-language communities are bizarrely intolerant of criticism, and unwilling to cope with the idea that every language has problems and that you can only get good at a language if you face them with open eyes.
That's perhaps true, but Elixir is among the few communities where I find much less of that than elsewhere. The forums and slack are rife with day-to-day Elixir/Erlang programmers who lament the lack of static typing, argue about how Phoenix is too magical, and so on. One reason I was drawn to Elixir was precisely the relative lack of "this is the best thing ever and everything else sucks" sentiment that I find in so many other programming language communities.
I was assuming you were just trolling, because it's hard for me to believe that you don't see the discrepancy between what you say you are saying, and what you're actually saying. It's very discrepid!
You've been perpetuating a flamewar in this thread. We don't want those on HN. Please stop, and please don't do it again.
That includes not tossing in swipes like "This just makes me laugh" and so on. Your comments have been provocative to the point of being trollish, as well as outright nasty in places. That's not cool, regardless of how much you know about Erlang.
I don't think anyone would take issue with your comments if that's how you approached it.
Instead you're being an asshole, and for no reason I can understand. It's not like we're talking politics here...