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At the same time, people definitely can be happy without sex - various religious factions have been doing it for ages with vows of celibacy, and today there's a non-negligible "volcel" (voluntarily celibate) movement.


It can be done and result in happy people. It can also turn out that years later you have decades of sexual abuse victims coming forward years later.


> At the same time, people definitely can be happy without sex

Yeah, but that's really like saying "but people can be happy while they are fasting" to somebody that is being starved.

Something being voluntary often makes the difference between it being considered harmful or even torture and a weird thing.


But this isn't useful to this discussion.

In aggregate, less sex may be a bad thing. In aggregate, more sex may be a good thing. That's what's being discussed.

Individuals and anecdotes just distract from the discussion.


I have never heard about vocel. Only about Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), which, at least on reddit, were a women hating incel community.




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