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> ...a union does is balance the leverage. Without them, the employer has all of it.

Maybe that's true of low labor jobs, but Employees in six figure jobs have tremendous power.

One of the reasons companies try to create anti-potching rules is exactly to try to get back some power.

The unemployment rate in the US was 4% prior to covid, and even lower for tech and white collar desk jobs.

This issue simply must take a back seat to bigger problems in America.



== This issue simply must take a back seat to bigger problems in America.==

What if labor rights is actually the single biggest problem that drives all the others?

I can think of things like a higher minimum wage, paid sick leave, anti-discrimination in hiring, maternity/paternity leave, and guaranteed PTO that could be helped by unionization to make us a stronger country, collectively.


Except it doesn't. Labor rights does not have an appreciable affect on racial discrimination, environmental concerns, infrastructure, immigration concerns, defense against the passive/active actions against other hostile nation-states, or a lot of other things.

And no, leveraging a union to force your company to drop a controversial customer has absolutely nothing to do with labor rights, that's just taking advantage of a organization your tribe happens to control


Lots of absolutes and zero sources. I never claimed it was to drop customers, sounds like you are in an argument with yourself.

Unions could absolutely have an impact on racial discrimination and wealth disparities.


Nah, that only makes the labor market less dynamic. It might protect the workers that already have a job, but it will definitely hurt those who don't.


Maybe other labor rights - but definitely not Facebook six-figure-salary labor rights - the context of this post.


The problem is that the anti–union sentiment of the Facebook employees leaks into the tools they build. Facebook may give six–figure salaries, but Facebook Workplace is used by e.g. Walmart, which has a median salary of $19,177 [0] and a notoriously bad track record of labor violations.

[0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/at-walmart-the-ceo-makes-1-188-...


Why tech workers should unionize is to have a say in their company's values and deeds. [1] And when a company has an enormous influence on our country, its employees should (and do) want to be part of decisions.

It's okay, society can handle more than one issue at a time.

1. https://www.wired.com/story/how-kickstarter-employees-formed...


>Maybe that's true of low labor jobs, but Employees in six figure jobs have tremendous power.

You may be right. I don't know enough about those specific dynamics to argue against it. It doesn't feel right to me, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. It does bring to mind professional sports in the US - Football, Basketball, and Baseball. All have player unions, and all have players that make six figures at minimum, with a fair amount making tens or millions and some making hundreds of millions. But, the NFL is famous for having the most toothless union, and, as a result, its players have the worst contracts/conditions - by a wide margin. It seems to me that unions could still help people who make six figures.

One issue I saw with the pre-Covid job market is that it's too often all or none. Either you spend a ton of time and resources getting a position that pays well and then asks you to work 60+ hours a week, or you take a job that lets you scrape by (even if those positions still ask its workers to put in a lot of hours). It's hard to find balance in either situation, and unions could help restore some of that balance to both situations.

>One of the reasons companies try to create anti-potching rules is exactly to try to get back some power.

What I've read indicates that anti-poching rules are BS. They seem to exist so that employers can control their employees without adequately compensating them. Pay for talent or let it walk.

>The unemployment rate in the US was 4% prior to covid, and even lower for tech and white collar desk jobs.

Beside the point, but the 4% figure doesn't account for gig work, underemployment, or people who have stopped trying. I believe you, and it makes sense, that white collar desk jobs would be in better shape than lower-class positions.

>This issue simply must take a back seat to bigger problems in America.

The hollowing of the middle class is as big as any issue imo, and if we prioritize building the middle class, it will aid in solving many of our other issues. As far as I can tell, nothing would help bring people out of poverty more than a strong union presence.




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