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I actually do address the numbers needed in the post. Yes you would want to sample as widely as possible in the ideal world, but more important is just getting the right samples.

The reason why this would be faster is the process of looking for the strain and identifying it as safe would generate data that would allow the regulatory authorities to approve its use.

Manufacturing would not be the limiting factor here.



I read the whole article through. Now I have done so twice. Maybe I have a blind spot, maybe I misunderstand something, but I don't see where you address the number of tests needed. Certainly you don't address the need (or lack thereof) for geographically & genetically diverse testing.

Your background also does not appear to contain detailed experience within the manufacturing and deployment side of vaccines, so I hope you'll forgive me if your lack detail on that end isn't mitigated by simply saying "Manufacturing would not be the limiting factor here" without further explanation.

You say you'd like to get this proposal in front of influential people, but why would Bill Gates assume the logistics are fine, not a problem, without you specifically addressing the issue?

And if I can't get answers to the questions I've raised after 1 full reading, one slightly faster reading, and an exchange with the author himself, then if I were a person of any influence I would not devote limited time to this proposal. Presumably you posted here to get such attention. Presumably you would engage a bit more and answer in greater detail if you knew I were someone who could help advance this in some way. (I'm not-- I have access to researchers in academe but no influence) But I don't see you getting the attention needed, not without a proposal that moves beyond the R&D phase in significant detail

Personally I find the lack of logistical details beyond the R&D and sequencing side of things indicate that your own business interests have you focusing on that end of the project to the detriment of other factors that need to be taken into consideration. Please note that I'm not saying you're doing this for the money: Only that your current area of professional endeavor is the area of the problem where you have focused your proposal, and the areas where it's lacking are not bolstered by your simple assertion of "they are are not a problem."

You have posted to an audience that is not automatically going to know how your R&D could be logistically deployed, but also an audience that knows ideas are easy, and execution is hard. If you wish to have your proposal widely accepted here, if you wish people here with connections to those who could influence anything, these are things you need to address.


I address the number issue here.

With little cost we could sequence a few thousand viral strains, or even tens of thousands of strains, from positive test sample from asymptomatic and/or mild case until we find a virus strain with the right mutations to make it harmless and which could work like a vaccine.

The manufacturing issues are not really my strength or extremely relevant to the idea, but this involves a live virus so you just need to grow it up in large scale cell cultures. We have the infrastructure for this in place in the biotech industry. One of the positives of SARS-CoV-2 from the perspective of my idea is how contagious it is - you only need a small number of viral particles to achieve an infection. This makes the scaling much easier.

The bigger issue at this point is finding the attenuated strain strain.


You address how many viral strains could be obtained, you don't address how many people have to be tested to obtain that many strains. Since you would need to find asymptomatic people, and current testing prioritizes only those with relevant symptoms, you would need to test many, many people to obtain enough asymptomatic occurrences. You do not provide an estimate for that number. Or if my assumption is wrong, then please take it as a sign that people without your specific expertise may come away with the same assumptions.

I don't necessarily expect you to answer all my questions: I offer them, and hope you take them in the spirit in which they are intended, which is as a sort of peer-review process (Though I am certainly not your peer in these matters: I mention that as an analogy) because I believe you do have a compelling idea, but I believe for it to gain much traction there are details that must be filled in, and others that must be spelled out more plainly for outsiders to your field that don't have your knowledge.

I certainly appreciate you engaging with me and indulging my curiosity, and questions that perhaps seem to have obvious answers to someone with more expertise in the field than I have.

Thank you.


In some countries they are doing a better job of testing the mild/asymptomatic cases (Germany, Singapore, South Korea are all examples). Even the USA these days is detecting plenty of positive mild cases.

We can use the the swab samples sitting in the testing facilities to do the genome sequencing.

Your response is quite common so I am writing a follow on post mon how this idea can be done in practice.


And to the extent we can rely on info from the US administration, Dr. Fauci commented (with some hedging) that Fall may bring widespread testing of the population at large for antibodies, which could be co-opted for this purpose as well.

I hope your proposal, and others proposing similar steps, win through. We need massively parallel efforts pursued. Not just to solve this current crisis, but to improve our overall global ability to rapidly reply to the next such problem. Best of luck to you.




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