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> fast burn (where health services are overwhelmed).

To reach 'heard immunity', if it is even possible at all for sars-cov-2-- there is good reason to expect that it won't be-- without overwhelming critical care will, unfortunately, take years.

Unfortunately, too great a percentage of cases need critical care.

Even with places trying to mitigate-- with the exception of the few places where it was actually contained-- their ICUs are going to be (or are already being) overrun.

> , but I like they are having an honest grown up discussion about it

There is no evidence of this. Experts have been calling on the UK to publish their models and so far they have declined to do so. I would take a sizable bet that no such models exist which support their initial stance (which they are slowly and quietly backing away from, and moving to a position much more like other western countries).



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