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Don't you need a rich economy for advanced products to be successful and profitable?


Or a pretty yawning wealth disparity that Erdogan has created for his supporters. BMW and Porsche sell plenty of cars in Turkey, even with the obnoxious taxes mentioned above.

In a more neutral way of phrasing it, per-person Turkish GDP PPP is now higher than Greece and closing in on Italy. (https://tradingeconomics.com/turkey/gdp-per-capita-ppp)

Without commenting on who holds it, there’s plenty of wealth there.


Does PPP matter for that particular comparison? I'd have assumed that BMW and Porsche prices are fairly PPP-agnostic.


But a domestic car production would be all about PPP.

Besides, thos8 id a long term project, we should be considering 10-20 year trends.


They are a pretty rich economy, despite Erdogans best efforts to botch it.


This is ad hominem at it best. Please check the Turkey's economic statistics before and after Erdogan is in charged of Istanbul and Turkey, before you slander the person.


Erdogan is a corrupt fascist and a war criminal (most recently: killing civilians in Syria). But I agree: the coming economic crash is the least offensive consequence of his regime.


Since 2003 when erdogan came to power, the turkish economy grew 4 or 5X. There are lost of areas to criticize when it comes to erdogan, but the economy really ain't it.


As I said, despite his actions. It’s not like putting 100k political opponents in prison is a boost to the economy. (And to teleforce, ad hominem? Really? Someone is hot for autocrats. That is how you do an ad hominem.)


I have found it strange that most of the people even in HN did not realise that economic achievement is largely orthogonal to the political nature of the country e.g. the autocratic, monarchy or dictatorship. I think I don't need to provide you the modern example of this scenario and most of ancient empires have achieved economic miracles despite the autocratic/monarchy/dictatorship nature of the government. Having said that, Turkey is a democratic country with many legits political parties, it is neither autrocatic, monarchy or dictator.


And in true democratic fashion Turkey jails political opponents. “But they were terrorists”. How convenient. Go protest the war and see how “not autocratic” Turkey is.


Erdogan survived an attempted coup. Attempt a coup in Germany or France and see how fast those democracies get "autocratic".


Talk about muddying the waters. (It's not even clear where the coup came from, how it played out was surreal.) And even if a coup was attempted in Germany or France, people would not be arrested in the tens of thousands the next day. Curfew? Yes. Incidents where civilians were killed by mistake or in crossfire? If the coup was large - likely yes. War is not pretty.

A concerted effort to round up and imprison tens of thousands of people from all walks of life overnight? No.

It's almost like the coup played in Erdogans hands. I don't know what was behind the coup. It was clearly ill advised in every way. It's evidently clear Erdogan took the coup as his cue to further repress and imprison people he doesn't like.

Like the dictator he is. Unfortunately, the peoples of Turkey will pay the price.


> It's almost like the coup played in Erdogans hands.

FALSE.

I ain't defending anybody but If one try a coup he would not bombard his own home by a helicopter full of heavy guns.

All the citizens were suffering of these people who made the coup since 1990's as far as I read. They are hiring their members to critical positions like governor, judge etc and they do mobbing on others to quit, that's how they take over almost all the country.

Which ever main stream media you are following obviously managing a perception propaganda.

And those people who made the coup & escaped Turkey, doing this perception propaganda sice they have very good friends in mainstrem media like NY Times, Independent, The Guardian, german welt, etc.

You can't find those propaganda in Russia/China media, Russia found CIA ties with these terrorists who made the coup and never let them open their school in Russia.

Their schools operated over 100 countries (they were eye of the CIA according to claim) before the coup.

There is no example of this organisation in history, hard to believe but looks so true.

BTW, no opposition party member in jail as long as no ties with any terrorist organisation.


Economic growth alone is not relevant, what matters is how much there would have been with another system in comparison. A much harder question.


That's an un-answerable question, we can't even predict what economy will do next year


> As I said, despite his actions.

And I said since 2003. Before the coup attempt ( in 2016 ), his actions boosted turkey economy 5X. It has slipped since the coup attempt but that's to be expected. Political stability is required for economy prosperity.

> It’s not like putting 100k political opponents in prison is a boost to the economy.

What should he do with coup plotters? Throw them a parade?


Do you really believe he found 100k coup plotters overnight.


The intelligence service watching over them last years, but "the organisation" had members even among the intelligence service members.

See more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21932211




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