But we have due process and most of these offenses are due to the failed drug war. Whether or not people should be locked up for drug offenses is one thing, but the laws being broken are pretty clear and generally aren't being used as punishment for expressing anti-government sentiment.
>Americans imprison and torture children at the border
This angle is pretty ridiculous. The border facilities are totally overwhelmed by an influx of people who by law are not allowed entry to the U.S. The vast majority are economic migrants, not assylum seekers. Moreover, they made the choice to come here knowing full well the illegality of their actions, and they are not being "imprisoned," they are being detained for a few weeks while the overloaded system processes their claims. Calling it torture is an exaggeration. Also the miserable conditions at the contentious facilities recently in the news are not representative of ICE facilities in general.
Only when people are not just executed by cops because they dared look too black or homeless or whatever (so many more cases of police killings that any European country when adjusted for population that it's amazing).
And even then, the due process is full of batshit-crazy aspects, from prosecutorial blackmail deals, to "three-strikes" BS.
And let's not even get into prison conditions, use of solitary confinement, rape as "joke", private prisons and prison labor, and so on...
Or the fact that it's the only (or close) western country to still have the death penalty...
And that's for official prisons. Now let's add the various "sites"...
>Only when people are not just executed by cops because they dared look too black or homeless or whatever
These atrocities are an exceedingly tiny minority out of millions of yearly police interactions.
>And even then, the due process is full of batshit-crazy aspects, from prosecutorial blackmail deals, to "three-strikes" BS
The system is not perfect, but the point is that in contrast to authoritarian China, it is generally not abused to suppress political dissent and U.S. citizens have rights to due process and representation in the legal system that do not exist in China.
Why don't you talk to the parents who are knowingly taking the risk to entry the country illegally?
>Save you speech for the children being tortured
I don't think you know what the word torture means. You've been misled by propaganda. And, again, the problems are happening limited to a select number of overwhelmed facilities.
" The severe mental suffering that officials have intentionally inflicted on these families for coercive purposes, means that these acts meet the definitions of torture under both US and international law,” said Erika Guevara-Rosas, Amnesty International’s Americas Director."
>The alleged conditions documented at the facilities follow a Homeland Security inspector general report that found "dangerous overcrowding" and unsanitary conditions at a different CBP facility in El Paso, Texas, where hundreds more migrants were being housed than the center was designed to hold.
>The El Paso Del Norte Processing Center housed as many as 900 migrant detainees earlier this month despite only having a recommended capacity for 125.
9x over capacity. What exactly are you expecting? The implication that this treatment is intentional is pure political bias. In any case these conditions are not a secret and people continue to voluntarily make the illegal journey. Who is responsible here?
That said, the actual ACLU CBP report was enlightening, detailing abuses going back to 2014 when the CBP program lowered standards during rapid expansion. It's hard to trust other modern news sources like those you provided because of their heavy political slant and propensity for sensationalism.
You're missing the point. No, it isn't "fine" to torture children, but these facilities are hugely overburdened and have procedures to follow. Aside from the corrupt agents who do mistreat migrants, it's hard to ensure humane conditions for detainees when your facilities have nine times more people to process than they're designed to handle. What's the alternative right now, release them into the U.S.?
We need to stop conflating abuses by individual agents with poor conditions caused by underprovisioning of resources due to a general increase/spike in migrant activity.
Also, there is some merit to the idea that poor conditions at these facilities act as a deterrent to voluntary migration. No one is forcing these people to come here illegally and, again, the vast majority are economic migrants, not legitimate asylum seekers.
Let me reword what you said so that I better understand it. Is this what you're saying: "Also, there is some merit to the idea to torture children, these facilities are hugely overburdened and have procedures to follow"
I think that's the gist of your argument, even if it is putting words in your mouth.
Well, at least you admit you're not arguing in good faith. That's not what I'm saying at all. Apparently the involvement of children precludes you from considering this discussion rationally.
But we have due process and most of these offenses are due to the failed drug war. Whether or not people should be locked up for drug offenses is one thing, but the laws being broken are pretty clear and generally aren't being used as punishment for expressing anti-government sentiment.
>Americans imprison and torture children at the border
This angle is pretty ridiculous. The border facilities are totally overwhelmed by an influx of people who by law are not allowed entry to the U.S. The vast majority are economic migrants, not assylum seekers. Moreover, they made the choice to come here knowing full well the illegality of their actions, and they are not being "imprisoned," they are being detained for a few weeks while the overloaded system processes their claims. Calling it torture is an exaggeration. Also the miserable conditions at the contentious facilities recently in the news are not representative of ICE facilities in general.