The truth doesn't require them to believe in it. Their support for Russian Military intellience operations including Wikileaks is support for an authoritaritarian war against Europe and US with the goal of overthrowing our liberal democracies.
I understand that the anarcho-hacker types hate all governments and have been tricked through cheap propaganda into thinking Wikileaks is a non-nation-state actor that is on their side of radical-whatever, but the fact is is that Wikileaks is military intelligence and supporting it is supporting that military, regardless of your personal opinion.
I accept the downvotes proudly because standing up for liberal democracies in the west against these outrageous agit-prop attacks has become extremely unpopular.
One wonders if the Wikileaks lovers live in a country like Russia and experience authoritarianism first hand, or if they simply have been indoctrinated to hate liberal western democracies.
Take for example say a British citizen who falls for ISIS propaganda and goes to Syria to join a terrorist organization. They swear that the U.S. and U.K. are evil and that their radicalization is the result of their honest opinion and search for truth. Do we label them as terrorists because of their views and actions, or do we say "well you THOUGHT you were doing good, so no harm no foul!"
Interesting that you did not post this critical comment on the parent I replied to, who began the ideological and nationalistic battle.
I would hazard a guess that you agree with his ideology and euro-nationalism and disagree with mine, so when he BEGAN this discussion, you had nothing to say, but when I defend the liberal democracies of the west against attack and invasion, THEN it becomes a problem.
Just an interesting observation as to WHICH ideology you chose to chastise (the one replying) and which you did not (the genesis of the discussion).
People often say that when they break the site guidelines and we scold them, unless we carefully balance the scales of scolding, and even then sometimes (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19635096). It's impossible to balance them perfectly in any case, because the threads are too big for us to read them all.
If you're genuinely concerned about this, you won't have trouble finding plenty of scoldings of commenters you disagree with by looking through https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=dang and https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=sctb. We don't much care about people's political alignments when they break the site guidelines. People think we are, but this is mostly a function of their own political alignment, especially when they feel passionately about it.
From our perspective the important thing to understand is that someone else breaking the site guidelines (or just being wrong) doesn't make it ok to break them yourself. This isn't a personal point or a political one. It applies to all of us.
> The truth doesn't require them to believe in it.
Then why are you posting here? Just so you can sit on your high horse knowing that you're right and everyone else is wrong? Or are you actually trying to inform your peers about something that's important to you? Because you are doing a pretty bad job of the latter with your tactless accusatory posts which contain no substantive arguments.
I understand that the anarcho-hacker types hate all governments and have been tricked through cheap propaganda into thinking Wikileaks is a non-nation-state actor that is on their side of radical-whatever, but the fact is is that Wikileaks is military intelligence and supporting it is supporting that military, regardless of your personal opinion.
I accept the downvotes proudly because standing up for liberal democracies in the west against these outrageous agit-prop attacks has become extremely unpopular.
One wonders if the Wikileaks lovers live in a country like Russia and experience authoritarianism first hand, or if they simply have been indoctrinated to hate liberal western democracies.
Take for example say a British citizen who falls for ISIS propaganda and goes to Syria to join a terrorist organization. They swear that the U.S. and U.K. are evil and that their radicalization is the result of their honest opinion and search for truth. Do we label them as terrorists because of their views and actions, or do we say "well you THOUGHT you were doing good, so no harm no foul!"