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Many of the laws of California, and of certain localities in California, reflect hostility to guns and gun owners more than they reflect any concern with public safety.

For example, in San Francisco it was illegal for many years to own an airsoft gun (replica firearm that fires little 0.2g plastic pellets). This was struck down only when Arnold Schwarzenegger passed a law to the effect that replica firearms were to be regulated at the state level. It is hard to see what a ban on airsoft guns was intended to accomplish, since they are not viable as weapons at all.

More seriously, California laws concerning handgun sales prevent Californians from benefitting from safety improvements in newer firearms (as well as preventing them from benefitting from the coolness of new firearms). Only handguns on a select list are permitted to be sold in California, and Kamala Harris closed the list some years ago. Ostensibly this is because the state of California would (a) like to see newer handguns implement "micro-stamping", where the gun imprints its serial number on each shell and bullet as it is fired and (b) believes this technology to be generally available. It's not that (a) is a bad thing but (b) is completely false; there are virtually no firearms that implement micro-stamping.

Most absurdly, the ban on "assault weapons" is in practice a ban on rifles with a pistol grip, as opposed to those with a classic stock. Rifles are used in a small minority -- 5% -- of shootings, in any event. They are (a) inconvenient to transport and (b) harder to use for a robbery, where the robber would like to have one hand free to grab stuff. The ban on rifles with pistol grips is something that is more a matter of showing the flag than affecting a real positive public benefit.

Travel restrictions on firearms are also more onerous than useful. In California, we can travel with firearms to any place where we may legitimately use firearms or transship them, but woe betide us if we should stop for a coffee on the way there. Thus we may travel to and from a shooting range, but not stop for lunch at any point. Given that we are to lock our unloaded firearms up when we travel with them, it's hard to see what is gained by preventing us from stopping along the way.


I don't think SF's ban on airsoft guns reflected a hostility towards gun owners as much as a worry that they'd be mistaken for real guns and get people killed.

An example of this 50 miles north: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Andy_Lopez


Was SF a jurisdiction uniquely concerned about that? It seems unlikely.

Openly carrying a replica firearm like that can be unwise. In SF, it is still unlawful. It seems like restricting brandishment and not ownership would be the minimal and reasonable legislation.


Were there more narrowly tailored laws SF could have passed? Yes. Does the SF Board of Supervisors generally care about overbroad laws? No.


It always gets me how eloquent and informed gun-rights people become about owning weapons which are basically intended to kill people.


They are intended to accelerate a small projectile at high speed using combustion gases as the prime mover.

I don't want to turn this into a political flamewar, but please don't assume malicious intent as the primary motivation for a tool's existence. That's like saying lockpicks are only good for burglary, axes for dismemberment, or knives for stabbing.

Non-violent guns: https://www.navalcompany.com line throwing shotgun

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flare_gun Flare gun

And blanks are used to sink things in concrete.

It's a tool. It has a function. The function of the tool is independent of the intents of it's wielder.


Thanks. Why does it get you?

Is it different from martial arts people who are eloquent and informed about swords?


It always gets me how emotional and rabid do-gooder people become about owning weapons which are basically tools which have many legitimate uses.


> It is hard to see what a ban on airsoft guns was intended to accomplish, since they are not viable as weapons at all.

Airsoft guns are effective in robberies / when making threats, as they look pretty real. This allows people to use them like they would use a real gun.


In principle, yes. However, actual guns were legal to own the entire time. People rarely use airsoft guns in robberies, in practice.


Notorious because a lot of the laws passed (or attempted) are designed not to regulate gun ownership, but to prohibit it in practice.




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