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This is entitlement speaking, and it's clearly a solution that doesn't scale. Downstream must be responsible for only depending on software from reputable sources, there simply is no alternative.

I hate to have to do this, but the requirement runs right to the core of how this development model functions whatsoever:

    THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
    IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
    FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
    AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
    LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING
    FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER
    DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.
I'd suggest one problem here is a user interface / packaging model issue: end users / downstreams may override the version choices made by their upstream dependencies. In the case here, the reputability of that upstream varied over time. Permitting version locking allows a chain of reputability to be exist, allowing a limited amount of trustworthiness to be imparted by upstream's selection of dependencies ("I trust this guy's package, so I trust all their dependencies too")


The real problem is that so far, open source has been mostly more responsible than closed source. mostly. So many companies and people just go 'eh' and accept the defaults rather than really digging in. Which, in a real way, means they get what they deserve, but on the other hand, what is the alternative?

I mean, personally, the alternative I like is a sort of hybrid model, where you pay someone else to do the vetting, like RHEL, but nobody I support is willing to stay within the RHEL package world, or to otherwise pay to really vet the packages they use, so it's defaults all the way down, and it usually works just fine! until it doesn't.


It always takes time for parasites to evolve in a new system.


> Downstream must be responsible for only depending on software from reputable sources, there simply is no alternative.

The alternative is to use distributions that do vetting and staging.


No, there is no alternative. You are responsible for what you ship. Even if you pay for the software, you should vet it as best you can as you're responsible.


How are you going to have the time and skill to vet Oracle anything?


"... as best you can..."

Monitor the network, make sure you know where the data is going. Things like that.




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