Haven't seen or heard that before; thanks, I'll have something to show some people.
> Among other things, it requires a person to trust the programs involved, trust that the models correspond meaningfully to reality, and trust the intentions of the people creating them.
Yes, those are the basics, they may not be small asks in a politically charged areas, but if you don't have them your alternative is to coerce people by threats. It's entirely reasonable to require these three things, as if people were to suddenly suspend them, they'd be quickly conned. This makes the problem hard, especially that you have a lot of people, including pretty much all news companies, who make money by burning that trust.
Maybe a lot of convincing simulations were shown as a matter of large-scale public discussion, and were rejected based on trust issue. If so, I must have missed it, and it's a shame :(.
RE politically charged areas, I'm reminded of this quote:
> As near as I can tell, the political process converts ideas from logical propositions into group signaling devices. Once a idea becomes a signal, any question of its truth or falsehood is commonly ignored for several human generations.
Haven't seen or heard that before; thanks, I'll have something to show some people.
> Among other things, it requires a person to trust the programs involved, trust that the models correspond meaningfully to reality, and trust the intentions of the people creating them.
Yes, those are the basics, they may not be small asks in a politically charged areas, but if you don't have them your alternative is to coerce people by threats. It's entirely reasonable to require these three things, as if people were to suddenly suspend them, they'd be quickly conned. This makes the problem hard, especially that you have a lot of people, including pretty much all news companies, who make money by burning that trust.
Maybe a lot of convincing simulations were shown as a matter of large-scale public discussion, and were rejected based on trust issue. If so, I must have missed it, and it's a shame :(.
RE politically charged areas, I'm reminded of this quote:
> As near as I can tell, the political process converts ideas from logical propositions into group signaling devices. Once a idea becomes a signal, any question of its truth or falsehood is commonly ignored for several human generations.
-- dlss, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12699503