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I hope not. They really need to tell the US to go to hell on that front. Pissing away a deal that is seemingly working because Trump got made fun of by Obama.



The US has all the leverage. They can just say "you can trade with Iran or you could trade with us," and what is the EU going to do? I'm not happy about the Iran deal being torn up either, but there is nothing European leaders can do about it.


Call a rather obvious bluff and put political pressure on American leaders over it.

They have a pretty easy to defend position.


It's not really a bluff; they can cut off any European business that deals with Iran easily. Someone else will play ball. This wouldn't be the first time they did it either.


> They really need to tell the US to go to hell on that front.

Would be easier if Europe had a coherent voice. You got the former Eastern Bloc countries desperately clinging to the US (because they, rightfully, fear that Putin will screw them over), you got the UK which is trying to not fall apart due to Brexit, France is... France and Merkel is trying to prevent the worst of the shitshow, even though she's miserably failing at that (and under heavy pressure from the AfD nazis and her own sister party which is openly copying the nazis).

In addition, Europe is so damn far behind the US when it comes to military power - jeez, German army is practicing tank shooters with broomsticks as munition, the NH90 marine helicopters are not allowed to fly over water and we all know what a fuckfest the A400M is. No money, no competence, but it wasn't a problem since WW2 as the USA had always covered the EU... now that Trump is, well, being Trump the EU has yet another giant problem to tackle.


> Europe is so damn far behind the US when it comes to military power

As a European, I consider this a good thing.


> As a European, I consider this a good thing.

I am ideologically more aligned to pacifism, the problem is that it does not work in a world of wannabe highschool bullies (USA, China, Russia, Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Qatar) vying for regional dominance.

Europe is so damn powerless and underfunded that we cannot even ensure that basic human rights are respected in conflict areas. On a bully stage, the tiny kid will always be the one that's bullied. No matter how economically powerful the EU is.


As a Canadian I'm fine with my country being behind too.

Would like more spending to make sure soldiers don't die due to shitty equipment, but still largely fine.




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