That's another bigger factor: if Apple doesn't include it as a standard for their mobile phones it's not going to get anybody anywhere unless all carriers seem to care to implement it at all. At which case I'm not seeing why pushing for XMPP wouldn't be as valid? Carriers have the capability to power XMPP networks that work accross carriers... Also requires less reinventing the wheel and being locked down to "Google said do this."
> if Apple doesn't include it as a standard for their mobile phones it's not going to get anybody anywhere unless all carriers seem to care to implement it at all.
It's a GSMA spec, and according to wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSMA) the GSMA like 800 operators as members so pretty good chance this is going to get implemented (apparently Sprint already has?).
Sounds like this is a carrier lead charge, most likely in response to folks ditching SMS for more flexible/featured alternatives.
While I'm sure your opinion would be interesting, the comment you left here is very much not so. Instead of saying "I don't like this" and leave it at that, HN expects you to be able to write down your arguments and opinions so others can understand them.
What you done here is lazy. Some further explanation about your view would probably be interesting. Otherwise, please don't comment at al.
I disagree. GP isn't saying to keep their mouth shut; it's saying to put up or shut up, which is emphatically different. "$FOO is bad" isn't totally worthless, but it's weak, especially when it would have taken 45 seconds more to say, "$FOO is bad because it's implemented poorly/inconsistently, has weak support for encryption, [...]".
And comments calling out unhelpful comments are slightly unpleasant, but still desirable feedback of what the desired norms are around here.
In fact, a mocking reply like this does itself violate the HN guidelines in at least one way: it certainly doesn’t assume the most charitable intent for GGP’s comment.
Comments like GGP are why we have downvotes, and why comments that get a lot of them appear gray. No need to humiliate someone for the sake of signaling your own virtue.
Ok, since now my comment has been called "condescending", "self-righteous", "mocking", "mean" and "humiliating someone", I need to understand.
Disclaimer: English is not my first language.
I did express that I'm interested in hearing the view, if further elaborated and explained why it is lacklustre, without attacking the user itself. I'm unsure of why my comment would arise these negative feelings, but I would like to fix it to not happen again. Thanks.
