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I am always curious about how much meditation can affect our brains. In pop science and pop culture, we see a lot of overestimation about meditation affects on our brains. But what is the scientific perspective on meditation?


As someone who has practiced over 19 years very intensively, my opinion is that pop science and culture overplays the effects of moderate meditation (say 30 min per day) in a short term and mostly misunderstand the effects of long term meditation.

The starting assumption of a secular meditator (like me) usually is that we want to develop some abilities. You are you, just better.

If you meditate a lot, or very long time, there comes a point where you realize that it's not just developing cognitive abilities. Your motivations and perspective change as well. It's not just you doing meditation practice. The practice is also working on you. Eventually you are going towards direction where you don't want to go and it can create lots of negative feelings, including fear and hopelessness (sometimes called the Dark Night of the Soul). This is the end of the road for many people. They lose the interest and do something else.

I think it's easier for people of religion because they have innate trust that everything is going towards something better and others have done the same.


> Eventually you are going towards direction where you don't want to go ... this is the end of the road for many people.

It sounds like you're saying that moderate meditation is overrated, and more intense meditation is outright detrimental in the long term. That is surprising to me. Is this an inevitability? Did you experience this, and how did you push through it?


What he's describing doesn't sound detrimental to me; it sounds like facing the truth, which might be a very dark place, but it's what we'll all end up facing eventually.

And of course, there is probably something behind that too, of which I have no idea.


>>Did you experience this, and how did you push through it?

Apologies for chiming in, but the simple answer is that "you" can't. That is, if you believe that there is a "you" that can push past this barrier, then you will fail. It's an impossible task. Where you go after that realization is up to "you." ;)


Not detrimental. Good medicine can taste bad when it works. Especially if that was not your expectation.

Short therm meditation experiences are mostly overrated. I think even little a day regularly 20-30 minutes has good effects if you make it a habit that you don't give up.


A quick Google search turned this up. May be helpful: https://www.thoughtco.com/buddhist-meditation-and-the-dark-n...


You may uncover so much mud that you stumble and fall but if you're so inclined you just need to remember to get up and keep going every time.


> Eventually you are going towards direction where you don't want to go and it can create lots of negative feelings, including fear and hopelessness (sometimes called the Dark Night of the Soul).

Can you elaborate on this?


How do you know it's overestimation if you haven't seen the scientific perspective?


By doing it and experiencing it yourself.


Try pubmed if you want peer reviewed science.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=meditation


As far as I know there isn't even a scientific consensus on a definition of meditation, let alone what its exact effects are. There are thousands of studies, but high-quality ones seem to be rare. I also get the impression that the literature is heavily biased toward a handful of relatively recent traditions or techniques (e.g. many, many studies are specifically on Transcendental Meditation or Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction).


This episode of Sam Harris' podcast may be a good starting point.

https://samharris.org/podcasts/111-science-meditation/




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