This is a typical work commitment in China. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2016-09/13/content_2677...

It's not luxuriously easy, but it's not ridiculous, and is microscopically different from _average_ working hours 150 years ago.

Sure, but I'm not sure it's something we should be looking to as a healthy model.

Here in NYC many regularly does that with 2/3 of the minimum wage.

I do that, I'm not the owner either. My wife just had a son, so I definitely have a family. Add on top an hour and a half commute each way and it can be a little difficult at times to have family time I'll admit.

"Having a family," as in, relatives that physically exist, is obviously different from "having a family you value spending time with." I think it was clear the GP was talking about the latter.

For some people, quality time with family is better than quantity. The key is to have those hours or days with the family focus. This is not even a workaholic or tech thing - it's the way military families have worked for centuries.

Well I have a wide and son, which I quite enjoy spending time with. Not sure how you managed to take from anything I said that I don't.

Some of us don't have a choice but to work jobs that require that many hours to pay the bills.

so with your schedule, you would be away from your family from 7:30am to 10:30 pm, 6 days per week.

I doubt your spending any more than 30 mins per day with your son on weekdays.

Correct, I'm hoping to move a little closer to work to cut some of that commute off soon.

My day off is all about family, so it's daily planned :-)

so the other person's point is that although you have a family, you're not spending a lot of "quality" time with them

* very well planned *

Too late to edit haha.

Why would you do that?

I hope you manage to reduce your hours until your son is old enough to remember whether you were there or not.

I'm a chef, these are the hours expected of in this industry.

15 hours a day away from home with an infant? Good god, man, stop! Spend some time with your wife and kid, or one day you'll wake up and they'll both have moved out because it's been years since they actually saw you conscious and you no longer have any kind of connection.

(Unless you're doing this just for a very limited time for a very good reason. But don't let it become a lifestyle!)

6 day weeks = 6/7 of 365 = 313 days work per year

12 hour days = 313 * 12 = 3756 hours work per year

Hours per month = 3756 / 12 = 313

Hourly rate if $60000 per month = 60000/313 = $192

$192/hr / 3/ppl = $64/hr/person

And that's without considering overhead costs.

Yeah a business where the gross and net income are the same definitely doesn't exist. Taxes, equipment, hosting, setting up interviews, marketing the podcast, selling ad slots...

Yeah, I got stuck in that sentence. I know lots of people do these hours, but people from Henry Ford onwards have been finding people are more efficient with less hours.

Then again if your job is learning about new tech, cooking and exercise-the sort of thing others are doing in their hobby time, I can see how you can make 12 hours of that a day.

>Then again if your job is learning about new tech, cooking and exercise-the sort of thing others are doing in their hobby time, I can see how you can make 12 hours of that a day.

Taking these three things together I also have a 12-14h day. It's just that I don't cook or exercise for work.

> people from Henry Ford onwards have been finding people are more efficient with less hours.

On average. It's not impossible that there are outliers than can just work crazy hours without productivity decrease.

I'm sure that's what they tell themselves.

I remeber that the guy that made Diablo said that he can sustain 18 hour workdays for a couple months during a final crunch. Given how successful his product was, there may be something to it.

And I'm sure that everyone is 1.77 metres tall, despite what people tell themselves.

It's not impossible. It doesn't seem sensible for outliers to tell us ordinary people that we should be like them