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Chinese students are getting top tier educations in the United States only to be forced to return home because of absurd F visa restrictions which effectively prohibit them from gainful employment in the United States after completing their studies. It's pitiful and sad.



Don't know why you're being downvoted, because that exact thing has happened to many of my former lab mates. Giving a green card to anyone with a graduate degree in STEM fields would be the most sensible thing to do if the US wanted to avoid the reverse brain drain of foreign graduates educated mostly on the US taxpayer's money.

The vast majority of those grads would be very happy to stay in the US.


Where does this claim about being educated mostly on the US taxpayer's money come from? A lot of my classmates in graduate school have said they are in graduate school since it will give them more chances at the lottery allowing them to work in the US. Others have said they just wanted the best education they could get.

But all of them are always complaining about how theres basically zero financial assistance for them and they are lucky that their parents can pay for them, since even getting a part time job or internship is a massive hassle that most companies won't even bother with due to their student visa situation.


For PhD students in computer science, they will almost all get funding from the federal government (indirectly through grants).

Masters students, maybe not.

You are incorrect about the internships, which don't require visas for F1 holders as they get a year of OPT. Now, they might save up their one year of OPT for post graduation, which is useful for the wait in getting an H1, though I guess there are also useful extensions that can even get around that (IANAL, so I don't know what the exact story is ATM).


For MS and BS students, IIRC, a lot of countries will subsidize the education of their citizens in the US to some degree.


That is not true and the reason is obvious - bamboo ceiling in American companies. Think about it - Chinese grads have far higher chance to be promoted to a senior position in companies like BAT and all of them pay you well.


The head of Microsoft today is Indian, Qi Lu was, until recently, head of apps, Harry Shrum runs tech. Does the bamboo ceiling really exist in tech?

Now, definitely for laowai working in China, there is a bamboo ceiling, almost all the senior leaders are going to be Chinese or Taiwanese :)


laowai = foreigner


Yup! Which is why brain drain to China will slow down imo. Unless they get a steady flow people wanting to get a dead end career there.


Is the bamboo ceiling string enough and well known enough that it would drive a majority of Chinese graduates from US schools out of the country even if they received a green card? I don't find this assumption oblivious at all. It's easy to underestimate discrimination if you aren't the ones being discriminated. Do you happen to have any data on the actual discrimination and more importantly for this discussion the perceived one?


Foreign students are seen as a revenue steam for universities


Well I personally think that Shanghai is the greatest city in the world right now, so they may not be that reluctant to come back home.


How is the air pollution over there?


Nonexistent


You must be joking if not outright lying. US EPA maximum annual exposure limit is 12 micrograms PM2.5 per cubic meter whereas Shanghai is above 40.


Can you talk more about those restrictions? I though they could get practical training after completing their degree?


Yes as STEM graduate you get a few years for practical training in the US. After that you gotta leave though.


That is where the H1B picks up though.


Only if you win the H1-B lottery. Yes, USCIS literally picks H1-B recipients using a random lottery.


I think the lottery system might change soon enough. I also think there are problems with tying an education degree with employment. There are many universities that charge a huge amount for foreign students for an education here knowing there is a chance of employment. People paying literally $200k so they can get the practical training and a chance at a H1B sponsorship. There was a local for-profit university that did this while not properly teaching their students. Once this was found out the students lost their money and opportunity at a job.


> might change soon enough

Don't hold your breath.




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