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> Yeah, I also have a mathematics degree and don't really get the fascination that computer people have with category theory.

This point seems to be repeated with every new mathematics.

> It's a pretty abstraction, but I don't see actual results from it.

It has applications in physics and is widely used in computation, particularly for reasoning about composition of programs with side effects. With respect, if you don't see any actual results, you haven't been looking.




> With respect, if you don't see any actual results, you haven't been looking.

With respect, if you think any category-theoretic results were necessary to author even 0.01% of the code executed in computation globally, you're willfully deluding yourself.


Good thing I never made that claim. I will however claim that, despite being unnecessary in principle, quite a bit more than 0.01% of code executed globally did make use of category theoretic abstractions because they are so useful (depending on how you measure this of course). Pretty much any program written for .NET and Scala makes use of monadic composition.

I will also claim that their use is only going to grow with Rust adoption and Java adopting lambdas and functional APIs.


> Good thing I never made that claim.

You said "It has applications in physics and is widely used in computation". Category theory is not widely used by those who program computers and thus produce computation in them.

> I will however claim that, despite being unnecessary in principle, quite a bit more than 0.01% of code executed globally did make use of category theoretic abstractions because they are so useful (depending on how you measure this of course). Pretty much any program written for .NET and Scala makes use of monadic composition.

And like clockwork, you provide the bog-standard argument for why knowing category theory is important: you point out how many people productively write software without knowing anything about category theory (or even abstract algebra).

Saying that people use category theory to write software without knowing it is like saying they use Maxwell's Laws to write software: so reductive it loses all relevance to productive conversation. That's bad, unless your goal is to make the conversation unproductive.


> Category theory is not widely used by those who program computers and thus produce computation in them.

Computation is bigger than just programming in industry. "Computing" has always referred to the overall discipline of computer science.

> you point out how many people productively write software without knowing anything about category theory (or even abstract algebra).

That wasn't my point at all. Read again. They can have even more productivity if they used category theoretic abstractions.

> Saying that people use category theory to write software without knowing it is like saying they use Maxwell's Laws to write software

Good thing that's not what I said either. You're making a habit of this.

People can understand a structure, in that they can grasp its semantics and its application, without knowing it's canonical name.




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