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>Trump has been sued several times for the discrimination against black people

That may say more about black people than it says about Trump. Call me a racist - I dare you.




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What sources do you use and recommend? Why?


I recommend you cross examine liberal and conservative news sources, since, we have a fundamentally polarized and biased media system. Furthermore, you could just read the primary sources since they are all publicly available at the courthouse - for a price.


That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking what sources you trust and recommend. You're specifically dismissing the NYT. I think it's fair to ask you to make specific recommendations.

It's unrealistic to ask everyone to check primary sources. We don't have the time. It doesn't scale.

Also, there are people who don't trust court documents, or the courts, either. I think this issue of shared trusted sources is very real. Just dismissing sources reinforces this. How do you recommend we resolve this?


I gave a specific recommendation - but I'm not playing your game. I won't live by your assertion that some mythical news source is wholly trustworthy or without self interest or outside incentive.


I'm sorry you think I'm playing a game. I'm legitimately concerned that we have no shared trusted source for information. I find it very frustrating when I see people dismiss things out of hand without providing any context. It's not constructive. I think it's actively destructive, because it increases the distrust.

It's not workable to begin from first principles in every discussion, and to expect people to do so is unrealistic. I made no assertion that there is some wholly trustworthy new source, though I can understand why you might think so, given it seems like so many are just out to score some imaginary political points. I don't think there are any that are infallible. I do think we can usefully make judgements that some are better than others, at least within certain domains.

How about a news source that you trust regarding the topic at hand? (Any topic at hand. I'm uninterested in wading into discussions of racism at this point). If someone provides a source, and you choose to disregard it, do you feel no obligation to also provide some sources? At least they put forward some effort.

Are you willing to give people the benefit of the doubt when they're having a discussion with you? What's the alternative? How are we going to move forward? The vote was nearly evenly split on the presidential election. Looks like we need to find some common ground if we're going to get anything worthwhile done.

Given that you're engaged in this discussion, it seems to me that this is something you're concerned about as well. Do you think its useful to discuss difficult issues? How do we find common ground? What parts of what I've presented do you take issue with or think are unfair? What can be improved? I'm honestly interested, because as I've said, I think this is an important issue, particularly in light of the recent campaign and election.

Thanks for taking the time to read through this.


Well, the original source was in support of calling myself and President Trump racists. If you read the article or do some studying on the subject, there are very few actual facts. None of which support the claim that I am racist or Donald Trump is racist. It is tenuous, at best, to link racist business practices of some employees to the business owner.

I can't answer all of your questions, but I believe most Americans are tired of being called, racist, sexist, homophobic, bigot, etc., when they take PAINS to avoid any personal racism or appearance of such. That is why Donald Trump just won the election. It's Americans saying we don't care what you call us any more, and we don't actually care to find common ground with people like you(and by you, I'm talking about cancerous Social Justice people).


Yes, you're a racist because you extrapolated your interpretation of the behaviour of a handful of people (i.e. those who sued Trump and are black) to an entire race.


I did no such thing. I extrapolated his undetailed version of events. It goes both ways, you can say that means "black people" are in the right, or you can say Donald Trump is in the right because there are no facts to support either side.




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