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Four standard (non-proprietary) multi-use ports is a complaint?

No innovative features? What do you call a ribbon display that no one has ever done before?

No expansion - nothing new to the MBP line.




> No innovative features? What do you call a ribbon display that no one has ever done before?

A gimmick.


I call it a battery discharger.


A $600 USD gimmick, it seems.


Seems the price differential between the 2 port TB-3 13" and the 4 port TB-3 13" w\ Touch Bar & Touch ID is $300 USD.

If I'm not mistaken. I went o_O … Seems steep. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


The model with the touchbar also has a faster CPU, I guess some of the price difference is due to that.


Your hands don't have to move around as much to select a toolbar item and you don't have to move your hands up to the screen like a surface. I think the touch bar will be great for productivity.


> No innovative features? What do you call a ribbon display that no one has ever done before?

>A gimmick.

pwn'd

so true.


a ribbon display that no one has ever done before

This keyboard with remappable OLED keys was released almost 10 years ago: https://store.artlebedev.com/electronics/optimus/#51709


Thats not the same thing, at all.

The only part that's similar is the key faces can change. They're still physical keys that press individually. It's not multi touch, a key can't suddenly become a slider.


People have short memories but the X1 Carbon Gen2 had a dynamic key strip that was so bad that it got replaced with physical buttons in Gen3.


Or the product is so obscure no one knows what it is? You could have just listed the name of an experimental plane for all I know.

Also, if that is true, perhaps what's truly new is that its actually usable. That's pretty much Apple's thing - making things more usable/useful.


Never heard of Thinkpads before?


Op didn't mention Thinkpad. Just mentioned X2 Carbon Something or other.

That could be a jet plane from Lockheed Martin or a Thinkpad...


X-1 is hardly a unique name for a product, even limiting it to computers. Context matters.


what's truly new is that its actually usable

The jury is still out on that one.


Did you just call ThinkPads obscure?


Also there, this one 5 years old has its own ribbon and all the keys with pictures!

http://img.artlebedev.ru/everything_files/images/2857/optimu...


The issue is that the MBP line previously had zero of these ports and now they have zero of anything else. That means we have to go buy adaptors so that we can use our hard drives, power adaptors, iPhone/iPad charge cables, and other peripherals.

It's nice that these aren't proprietary cables, but I'll have to spend over $100 on adaptors, or wait two years until there are cheaper alternatives.

Lastly, there may be 4 ports in total, but since 1 is used for charging, there are effectively 3. Not a deal-breaker going from 4 to 3, but definitely a problem going from 2 to 1 on the low-end MBP.


> Lastly, there may be 4 ports in total, but since 1 is used for charging

Only if you're using it exclusively for charging. They literally showed using it with a display that gets video out over the same cord it powers the laptop with.


Yeah, but how much do I need to spend to upgrade to said monitor?


Looks like it'll be $1,299.95: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HKN62LL/A/lg-ultrafine-5k-...

Available December.


USB-C/Thunderbolt hubs should start around $120.

It doesn't need to be a 5K 27" display to provide power over USB-C.


> Four standard (non-proprietary) multi-use ports is a complaint?

Well they are incompatible with almost everything Apple makes. You can't even plug in an iPhone out of the box. You'll need a special adapter for every device you have (monitor, storage, phone, SD reader, etc).


I hadn't even thought that far yet. All of my Apple cables would need Apple adapters. Every future Apple cable is going to need an adapter back to USB 2.0... facepalm


> All of my Apple cables would need Apple adapters.

More replacements than adapters. Also you don't need Apple adapters, you can get a type C — type A cable for $6.


I had an HP with a ribbon display for multimedia keys 6 years ago. How is that "never done before"?


kinda reminiscent of the 12 year old Nintendo DS display. and in that I suspect developers will by constantly trying to find a purpose, never to much avail beyond some hotkeys, that only hunt and peck typists could appreciate. remember the uber lusted, and uber expensive optimus keyboards?


I'm surprised you're the only person here who has so far mentioned Art Lebedev/Optimus.

I have an Optimus mini 3 and an Optimus keyboard.

The former I never really got along with as the oled drivers made a loud 18khz whine. The latter, however, I still use for photoshop, gaming, coding, etc. - ain't got no poxy touch strip, my entire keyboard is a technicolor discotechque.


That ribbon was updated dynamically depending on the application you were using? Did it allow you to re-arrange the commands on it? Did it support scrubbing/swiping as a method of input?



So did I, but it was a simply something that could have used physical keys. Was it dynamic based on the application you were using or configurable in any way?


> What do you call a ribbon display that no one has ever done before?

A hindrance, to power users and touch typists.


Oh, but now you can look at your keyboard and get spiffy autocompletes... you know, like that feature everyone hates on their phone?


>No innovative features? What do you call a ribbon display that no one has ever done before?

http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-...


And if I'm not mistaken they killed it - because power users needed proper f1-f12 row


well yes, but people are saying apple is the first to think of this / do this which is not true as usual.


>> Four standard (non-proprietary) multi-use ports is a complaint?

I think it's a fair complaint if it requires using dongles for all of your legacy devices, especially USB keys.


I guess you need adapter for connecting new iPhone also.

2.5k laptop and 1k phone and you still need $30 adapter.


What do you call a ribbon display that no one has ever done before?

Oh you mean like Windows VISTA's (yes, that one) "SideShow?"

https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+vista+sideshow&biw=2...

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=windows+vista+sideshow&...

They have had big partners do this, like Logitech, on keyboards like the G15 and G19. It was also on laptops positions above the keyboard.


> Four standard (non-proprietary) multi-use ports is a complaint?

which one of those ports can I use to plug in my lighting headphones?


Exactly had the same question.


So, finally caught up to the original Barnes & Noble nook with it's ribbon display and touchscreen.

http://cdn.toptenreviews.com/rev/prod/ce/48731-barnes-noble-...

(Just kidding!)


No one other than Lenovo in the Thinkpad X1 Carbon.


>What do you call a ribbon display that no one has ever done before?

It's called a touchscreen.


> No innovative features? What do you call a ribbon display that no one has ever done before?

A definite step back for the sake of introducing a gimmick, whose consequences have not been given enough thought.

They could have tried buying a Lenovo Carbon Gen.2 and using it for half a day, and realized what a stupid idea it is.

I actually had one of those laptops for a little while - issued by my workplace. It came with the same concept - a touch-sensitive strip, with (limited) display capabilities and which could change its function depending on the context.

Even if the touchstrip hadn't been an utter piece of junk (which it was - hello lack of feedback and failing to detect extremely deliberate touches), I wouldn't have hated it any less. I don't want to have to constantly look away from the screen when I'm working. I'll avoid mentioning all the other problems of the Lenovo touchstrip (or the rest of the keyboard, which was an utter abomination) because hopefully Apple gets those right - but it doesn't really matter. Give me my ESC key back, and stop breaking usability.

In their boneheaded move, actually Lenovo _at least_ had the presence of mind to realize that ESC is really off limits, so they moved it to the row below. At the expense of the ` key, which isn't really an optimal solution, but it shows some modicum of reasoning about the usability impact of that gimmick. Apple doesn't seem to care.

I gave that mostruosity back shortly after, am now a happy user of a T450s which even has an ethernet port!!!, very happy with it. Lenovo shortly after retired the gen2, replaced it with a gen3 which has an absolutely normal keyboard, issued an apology, probably fired the idiot who suggested that horrible usability compromised. I'm afraid Apple may have hired that idiot.

I now may need to have the Courage to spend my own money on a non-Apple laptop after so many years.




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