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I can't imagine how anyone with the slightest clue could conclude that the first stage would sink the barge. The scales are just too different; the barge outweighs the rocket by orders of magnitude.

I hope this is one of those "lost in translation" things, because otherwise I fear for that group of supposed experts.



> the barge outweighs the rocket by orders of magnitude

The energy amount the rocket impacts with is dominated by its speed, not its mass. A small, fast-travelling projectile can make a hole in just about any kind of armour. The terminal velocity is quite low, but that's in part because of the way it is engineered — an ICBM would probably be able to put a hole through a ship deck with ease.

There is a lot of reasoning by analogy vs. reasoning from first principles going on, and the latter seems to be winning. But the main driver of the space industry is governmental funding, not commercial. Much of those statements were probably political; SpaceX have prevailed, and indeed found some champions of their own (John McCain is rabidly behind them, and some of the statements he comes up with are ludicrous in their own right, for example), though not before enduring some setbacks.


The energy amount the rocket impacts with is dominated by its speed, not its mass. A small, fast-travelling projectile can make a hole in just about any kind of armour. The terminal velocity is quite low, but that's in part because of the way it is engineered — an ICBM would probably be able to put a hole through a ship deck with ease.

While what you've said is true, in practice it isn't a problem.

If the F9 first stage is out of control and going too fast, it will almost certainly miss the barge to begin with. The barge is small, the ocean is big, and the F9 has to maneuver very precisely to reach it.

If it does reach the barge, it will likely be moving relatively slow, and thus is less likely to sink the barge, even it things go crazy at the last moment.


That brings up an interesting question, can't the range safety officer just scuttle the first stage after separation? I can't imagine that they don't have that capability after separation.


After a certain point in the stage 1 ascent, they disable the FTS (flight termination system). I suppose they could turn it back on for landing.


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No, you're looking for

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S/He was just one integration off. Let's not be too harsh.


mass != momentum. I'm sure the thinking was that they wouldn't be able to slow the rocket down enough and that the speed of impact would punch through the barge. The autonomous control needed to get the rocket to slow down and stop at just the right time, while accounting for the movement of the barge, the movement of the rocket (eg: unpredictable wind impact), and the difficulty of gathering telemetry through the rocket engine exhaust, is pretty amazing.


They initially aim the rocket to the side, then correct over to the barge after the engine lights, so a failure there doesn't cause a high-speed crash.

Either way, the relative masses matter. It takes a lot more effort to punch a hole through something much more massive than your projectile! It doesn't make much sense that a light, nearly spent rocket stage would punch all the way through a massive barge. And even if it did, the hole still wouldn't be big enough to sink it.


Also the fact that if the rocket has actually lost control its unlikely it would hit the barge anyway at least at any significant amount of speed. The only time that would be likely is if it loses control right at the end where is velocity is low.


> I'm sure the thinking was that they wouldn't be able to slow the rocket down enough and that the speed of impact would punch through the barge.

Would any "expert" really believe SpaceX didn't run the numbers millions of times, and do millions of simulations to confirm they could slow it down before actually spending the money to buy and outfit drone ships, build landing legs onto their rockets, etc. etc. ?

I mean, honestly, while the devil is in the details for an actual landing, they must have been pretty damn sure they could at least slow the thing down sufficiently.


If a one gram bullet hits a 100 kg Athlete what happens?

There are several orders of magnitude there.


The previous attempt literally did make a big hole in the deck.


Pretty sure he means the barge would sink from the big hole he thought the rocket would put in it.


Of course, but my point is that the barge is so much more massive that the idea of punching a hole all the way through doesn't really make sense, and even if that were possible, such a small hole wouldn't sink it anyway.


I'm a lot bigger than a bullet but it can still punch a hole through me.


and it won't affect your buoyancy at all.


When shot with a bullet all the water leaks out of the organic person.

When shot with a rocket all the air leaks out of the steel barge.


It only leaks out of the compartment that got punctured. The rest will keep it afloat.




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