Not sure why the downvotes.
allow me to add some context: the woman is axelle lemaire[1] current Minister for Digital Affairs, the man is Benjamin Bayart[2] was president of the oldest french isp still active today, french data network, for 15 years, now president of ffdn the federation of non profit grass root french ISPs, member of la quadrature du net[3] and active defender of internet freedom who fought against the stupid laws. They're both invited to discuss the not yet passed at the time law "loi renseignement" that created the legal frame for this spying.
In the video the minister states that every other "significant democracies" are doing it (passing or discussing spying laws) and asks why is it happening now to which Benjamin Bayart offers an explanation: as the USofA is backpedaling on the patriot act and spying, the countries that profited from swapping info with the US got afraid they's risk losing their source of info and launched an effort to do it themselves (or more likely give a legal framing to a practice already in place).
Benjamin Bayart has a simple explanation that you can listen to in this thinkerview video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01gGuXRKH5I&t=23m