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There are many problems that come with a population decline, two of the major are:

- Our economy (read: investment) is based on a constant growth, which is a function consumers

- the elderly have to be taken care of … this is us one day


> Kids (…) are unnecessary for a fulfilling life, so this outcome should not be surprising.

Unnecessary in a material existential sense, perhaps, when one exludes a systemic need to take care of the elderly. One could argue, however, that the responsibility when taking care of kids are one of the few means to live and grow as a human being.


Adopt. There are ~400k kids in foster care in the US alone, half of which are adoptable. There are plenty of humans already existing who need care.


This ignores the level of issues that most kids in foster care are suffering. People want a healthy child to start with. Most children in foster care are deeply afflicted and have deep traumas that will never be resolved by any new parental figure.


Humans are selfish, broadly speaking, there is no solution for that.


Wise words!

This process was exactly what could be observed in Portugal in the beginning of the 2010 decade.

The opposition was not able to buy the military, and the government was returned to power by by promising raise in payment.


Do you have more links handy about the situation in Portugal? I'd love to read more about that.


Germany almost got the Eurofighter Typhoon, but it was not certified to carry nuclear weapons, and lacks SEAD mission capability for the next ~10 years.

There is nothing that can replace the Tornado in the German arsenal at the moment.


Germany has purchased many Typhoons.


You are right, they did. Let me rephrase it: The F-35 purchase is about having a multi role platform in the next 10 years to have nuclear and SEAD mission capability.


There are not enough fighter jets to support an aftermarket parts manufacturer, especially one that could exist without getting sued by Lockheed, Northrop, and the like.

This certainly applies to the aftermarket activities in the Westl, but entities doing that in Iran, Russia or Ukraine would not be liable to such measures. The question is more about technical capability.

> If you want to see what fighter jets without legal repairability license turns into, look at Iran. The sanctions placed on Iran have meant that they've been stringing their inventory of jets along for decades without official parts. [...]

True. Then again I see the ability for Iran to do this as a consequence of the effect of the sanctions and determination to make the best of domestic engineering potential. Quite a feat, I would say. The country has chemicals, electronics, mechanical engineering - and it trying to use it to create their own competing version of military platforms, starting with tanks, airplanes, drones, etc.

> The main technical issue is that you have to reverse engineer [...] All the technical bits on an F-35 have anti-tamper features designed to make reverse engineering almost impossible [...]

Very interesting! Almost impossible is a strong combination of words. Could you perhaps point me forward to some examples of such anti-tamper features?


@dang - why is this flagged?

There is a considerable group of users outside of the U.S.A. that is very interested in learning and discussing about the current developments when it comes to this kind of treatment of foreigners in the U.S.A.

These kind of threads can be very problematic to moderate and require attention in regard the nature of the discussion. However, whether backpacker or high potential talent, this kind of information is very relevant, and I think it is imperative to bring this to public attention.

It has also come to my attention that these kind of threads get flagged very often on HN. Are you analysing/monitoring the groups of peope that are flagging these threads or whether the conditions for flagging are set to the right treshhold?

Thanks!


There have been a lot of these threads. Usually the bulk of the flags (as far I've seen from checking this) come from users who are tired of the repetition and don't feel like the stories are on topic for HN. With high-indignation, high-intensity hot topics, commenters mostly repeat their intensely held, pre-existing positions. That is already not the curious conversation this place is supposed to be for, and it has a large chance of degenerating into outright flamewar, which is against the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html).

We sometimes turn off flags on these stories - you can find previous explanations about that at these links:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43212835 (Feb 2025)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42978389 (Feb 2025)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42911011 (Feb 2025)

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

We turned off the flags on a couple major threads about this general topic over the last few days. At some point there has to be a limit, because otherwise the front page would consist of nothing but this, and similar, topics. That would turn HN into a current affairs site, which is not the mandate of this place.

If you (or anyone) will a look at the above links and take in the basic explanations, I'd be happy to answer any question that hasn't already been answered there.


If avoiding repetition is the goal are we going to see some proactive moderation on the banal posts about LLMs[0]?

I would love to see more stimulating conversation about a variety of topics here[1] but these things don't seem to gain traction. Why is that?

[0] https://imgflip.com/i/9o2a9r

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=Teever


There's a huge amount of moderation going on about repetitive LLM submissions. The fact that you're not seeing it is a separate issue.

HN's frontpage is a composite of the preferences of thousands (if not millions) of people. One consequence is that it doesn't match anyone's preferences precisely (including mine). No one ever feels like their favorite topics are sufficiently represented, and everyone always feels like their less-favorite topics are overrepresented.


dang only unflags posts - you should flag if you feel they're repetitive, or use the second chance pool for better submissions


dang only unflags posts

If you think about this for a bit, it'll probably become clear that can't possibly be true and have the HN front page look they way it usually does. Beside the many mod comments that talk about other kinds of story moderation. But it's a rare case of a thing you can totally derive from first principles/minimal observation!


My strong suspicion is that mods generally either operate programmatically (that is, adjust site and other weights to favour or deprecate specific sources or stories, tweak flamewar detectors, voting-ring detectors, etc.), follow up on complaints emailed to them, and/or adjust member-based actions (voting, flags, vouches), etc.

That leverages their power far more than individually policing stories, though keeping an eye on the 30-odd stories which are on the front page at any time probably fits in somewhere as well.


First principles don't equal speculation.


I'm not sure what that means but the important thing is that HN story moderation is not just dang unflagging things.



I still don't understand your point, sorry. What is the thing I'm supposed to be making up? You said 'dang just unflags things'. This isn't accurate, that's all.


He has said so himself and there are plenty of articles that by your logic would have been flagged. You're the one with the burden of proof of a claim, not me.


I think you must have misunderstood something. You can email hn@ycombinator.com and make the case some article or another does not belong on the front page (not original source, a dupe, linkbait, offtopic, whatever). If you're right, that article will be downranked, sometimes right off the front page. People do this all the time. It's the inverse of emailing to make the case something is misflagged.

What is true is that almost all [flagged] and [flagged][dead] is from user flags. But that doesn't mean that the only story moderation by moderators is just unflagging.


Yes please


Instead of the homepage, I now just browse lists > active and "flagged" now means "interesting for you!"


Thanks. Great hint!


Ditto


This is how I use HN now. I don't bother with the censored front page anymore.


This exact topic and topics like it will fill the front page and (at therisk of going against posting rules) will devolve into a more...standard/popular online forum.

There have been many posts on this exact topic, not flagged, which you could have found using the search function.

Dang cannot control who prompts a flag or not.

ANd lastly, c'mon. If you've been here for any length of time, this is exactly the last place this discussion should be happening., because we are all intelligent enough to know that this conversation is heaviliy biased from all sides. Look at the title. @dang, thank you for not just preventng an ancho chamber of a certain ideal, but from preventing ALL echo chambers.


Anything perceived as negative towards the current US administration has been getting flagged on HN recently. Maybe bots? It's some kind of obvious campaign.


Yes it's indeed an obvious campaign. Against politics in general. From the guidelines:

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


I would claim that these articles describe "some interesting new phenomenon" that is very relevant to a lot of us. I have colleagues right now cancelling their conference trips to the US either because under new rules they most probably cannot get a visa, or because they do not think it is worth the risk. I am pretty sure they are not the only ones in this kind of situation, and I am pretty sure that this kind of situation is quite relevant to the international audience of HN.


Similarly with the DOGE accessing federal servers there would have been no other community I trusted to understand the implications of physical access, the laws surrounding state data storage etc. "These discussions shouldn't be happening here" but where should they be happening? What other community has experience with Move fast and break stuff?


If politics is off-top why are some of the most popular and frequent topics things like: The CHIPS and Science Act, The SLS rocket, California Zoning Laws, Drug policy in the bay area, The Digital Markets Act in the EU?

It seems to me that 'politics' is just used as a euphemism for 'taboo' and there are many unspoken taboos about what is talked and not talked about here.


YEs, as another commenter pointed out. It IS a targetted campaign.....directly in line with the posted site rules.

Political posts which devolve into flame wars are not welcome here. Wether or not it will devolve into a flame war is not even a question.

Dang has avery difficult job, let's use our brains before accusing him of...following the clearly stated rules.


While it's true that these posts are political, our political climate is in a unique situation. You can no longer avoid politics, regardless of how much you hide. Even we, who are fairly wealthy techies, can no longer turn a blind eye.

Yes, it sucks that even the most mundane aspects of our lives are being fraught with political warfare. The current administration appears to have a desire to burn the world down.

I mean, look around you. Can we talk about EVs without being political? What about LLMs? What about the American tech industry? We used to be able to. It's no longer possible.


I would be overjoyed to go back to thinking about politics as much as I did in the 90s where you could go for ages with no negative changes in your life.


I enjoy discussing/debating politics, but tend to flag things that are framed in a fashion designed to elicit rage-bait rather than discussion, which very much includes this story. In particular I think the immigration question is really quite interesting to debate and discuss (from both sides even!), but this article and consequently this thread is predictably just people kind of spaz raging with minimal concern for facts, data, or broader questions. Low quality topics invariably turn stuff into /r/politics where hyperbole, emotionalism, and broad level misinformation replace any sort of meaningful discourse.

Like if you think about this issue for a minute, what exactly is it that you think should be done differently? People being detained and deporting for violating their visa is not new, but it's typically not covered in the media - it happens thousands times a day around the world everywhere. In fact this issue all started when Canada refused to allow entry to her because they suspected she wanted to illegally work, which led to her detainment and investigation in the US once Canada refused to accept her!

And if one is upset about the fact that she was cuffed then you're implicitly claiming officers should be able to treat people differently based upon their appearance or sex - oh boy the sexism/racism ragebait would be incoming in a heartbeat. So what is the issue that's even to be discussed?


This made me smile. I have a very similar configuration. Simple but effective. The only thing that worries me bitrot might get me. Then again, my body will bitrot, too. So no point worrying too much about some random data in some turbulence in time.


Is anyone knowledgeable what would be the best way to block the sound waves?

a) Earplugs? b) destructive interference?


Everyone here got so political and it's a shame nobody is discussing counter-measures available. Sound is one of the easiest forms of energy to manipulate, it is easily absorbed, reflected and reverberated.

Because these systems exploit resonance in the skull and inner ear, in theory a thick motorcycle helmet should do the heavy work already for blocking some of these from reaching your skull, as well as blocking any random projectiles flying around. Additionally wool blankets or other thick, soft materials can be wrapped around the neck+head part to further reduce waves from entering your skull and resonating there.

Also if you can identify the dominant frequencies used by the device, you could design surfaces with materials that reflect or diffuse those waves effectively. Something like an array of concave acoustic reflectors or even a shield coated with a material tuned to reflect those frequencies might work. Redirecting the sound back at riot police would be ironic — wonder if they’d be as comfortable with it as they are deploying it against crowds. :D


While this might be the thinking of many critical citizens, I would hope that this translates into political and governmental action. This is unfortunately not an automatism.

One problem remains if politics decide to scrap the F-35 deal in Germany:

While the Eurofighter was an alternative to the F-35, it is not certified to carry tactical nuclear weapons. The phased-out Tornado was the go to platform for this particular scenario.

Source: German Luftwaffe personel


I wish the M4 Macbook Air models would have a nano texture display option.


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