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I'm not able to reproduce something like this. What prompt were you using? Asking it for today's top news gets it to use Google search and provide valid links.

You would go back to an old vulnerability infested OS that nobody builds for anymore instead of dealing with a UI change every few years? I have elderly parents on windows 11 and they've been fine, as long as the browser works, outlook loads, and they can scan and print (and tbh a Chromebook may be even better for non techy folks)

> You would go back to an old vulnerability infested OS that nobody builds for anymore instead of dealing with a UI change every few years?

Not OP, but yes. I'd rather my computer be old and vulnerable than hostile.


> and tbh a Chromebook may be even better for non techy folks

well there you go.


What issues do you face on windows? I use both Mac and windows daily and I can't say I entirely prefer one over the other, and in recent years I've run into more noticeable bugs on macOS (although it does look better)

Performance.

Even on literally top of the line machines (Razer Blade 18, Ultra 9 275HX, 64G DDR5, NVMe over PCIE4, 240Hz display) the thing feels sluggish.

UI "quirks" such as hiding the context menu, taskbar being forced into place, and the removal of the "never combine" taskbar buttons are just gobsmacking.

Worse, Windows Pioneered "drag and drop" yet now we can't even drag and drop files or shortcuts onto taskbar icons.. a workflow I actually used a lot and which is still supported in MacOS.

The forced integration is also a non-starter. MacOS doesn't require online accounts, Apps (onedrive, Teams, Cortana et al) or force "suggestions" down my throat in the UI even though I am constantly told that Apple are the ones who force their ecosystem on me.


> Windows Pioneered "drag and drop"

I don't believe that it did. MacOS 1 had drag and drop. You could always drag a document onto a program to open the document with that program. Also, notably, to eject a floppy disk permanently you dragged the floppy disk to the trash can.


Are you on 26 yet or still 15? I've heard a lot of bad things about performance getting way worse on 26, so I'm wary of upgrading my M1.

Still 15.

As soon as I heard them say "We're finally able to make the UI that Apple Silicon enables because of its performance" I knew wholeheartedly that it was going to be an enormous performance thief.

I'm not touching 26 with a 10-foot-pole.

I will even avoid buying new Macbook laptops, even though I have an M2 Air and M5 is around the corner.


This sort of forced integration is exactly why I consider macOS a non-starter. The ARM chips are neat, but I'm only interested in daily-driving computers I can own.

Taken from: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45643100 which I posted elsewhere 10hrs ago.

I'm also of that perspective.

It's sort of worth noting though that when Microsoft is presented with an option for blocking out Linux installation: they take it.[0]

When Apple are presented with an option for allowing Linux, they take it.[1]

The major difference here is OEMs, and that Apple has no OEMs.

We're essentially giving Microsoft the moral high ground even though they do nothing to earn it.

[0]: https://www.mickaelwalter.fr/linux-on-surface-rt/#:~:text=Al...

[1]: https://asahilinux.org/about/#:~:text=Apple%20allows%20booti...


Is that a windows11 thing? It sounds awful, I have a windows10 razer that is very snappy and I am dreading being forced to change to 11.

Yeah, it's specifically Windows 11 that has this issue.

I'm not certain as to why, if I had to speculate it would be the new scheduler prefers the efficiency cores and then thrashes the L1/L2 cache as soon as there's any actual work to do in the operating system (IE; you clicked something) by putting it on a performance core.

Windows 11 performance seems to be less terrible on devices that don't have big.LITTLE architectures.


Explorer in Windows 11 was overhauled, and its address bar behaviour is now absolute garbage. For example, type a directory path into it and press enter - takes 10 seconds to display the contents of the directory. Auto-complete on the address-bar as you type is unusable as it is so slow it's quicker just to type out the entire path manually.

Oh - and the popup UI for volume level and WiFi (and bluetooth etc) causes the system to freeze up sometimes, when you open it.

Logging in and the mouse freezes up for multiple seconds.

I'm sure these are not universal to all machines running Windows 11, but for me it's an all together shoddy user experience, and I'm sure there's a few other headaches that I forgot to mention.


Please share an example. Your 'almost completely useless' claim runs counter to any model benchmark you could choose.


I'm not the person you're responding to, but I feel I have a great example. Replacing the Google Assistant with Gemini has made my phone both slower and less accurate. More than once have I said "Hey Google, Play <SONG> by <ARTIST>" and had my phone will chirp back the song is available for streaming instead of just playing it. Once, I even had it claim it wasn't capable of playing music, I assume because that's true on other platforms.


The most spectacular failure was when I asked it to make a logo for a project. The project has "cogs" in the title but that refers to Cost of Goods Sold not the physical object, so I specified that it should not include a cog a in the logo. Of course, it included a cog in the logo.

I asked it to help me create a business plan. Partway through it switched to Indonesian language, for no reason I could see. Then, after about two hours work on the plan, with about 200K tokens in the context, it stopped outputting anything reasonable.

I have tried to get it to help with Google Sheets formulae about a dozen times so far. Not once has it actually got anything right. Not once.

It's serviceable as a chatbot, but completely useless if you try to get it to actually do anything.


> Ugh, google

In my experience most authenticators cloud sync automatically, at least on iOS. For most people, this is a benefit. Otherwise, lose your phone and you're stuck, I doubt most people secure recovery codes properly either.


What was the process for getting your account back?


Everyone was dumping on google when OpenAI first launched ChatGPT for playing it too safe and falling behind on cool new tech. Now everyone's upset LLMs are hallucinating and say they shouldn't launch things until proven safe.


This is such a weird argument. People were dumping on google because they had already been working on LLM's and machine learning products for quite a few years before Chatgpt released their first public model, and with how much capital and talent google has it was justified criticism how they now also fell behind this piece of new technology. This was before we knew the extent of hallucinations and were still under the impression that they would soon be solved. Now we can clearly see that hallucinations are a problem, especially when you're summarizing information on top of a search query, which yes, they should at least be careful about when releasing, so things like this issue don't happen.


I think it depends what kind of system and attack we're talking about. For corporate environments this approach absolutely makes sense. But say in a user's personal pc where the LLM can act as them, they have permission to do many things they shouldn't - send passwords to attackers, send money to attackers, rm -rf etc


Yes, in addition to the fact that big tech pays equity, and more senior people probably end up on green cards, so it skews junior.


They already deployed half-baked models (eg needing to disable news summaries because they were so bad), and haven't delivered on other aspects of apple intelligence. This is hard to call being cautious, this is them not being able to keep up.


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