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Any tips or links you can share for getting your Open C to FxOS 3.0? Did you have to first upgrade the base image from JellyBean to KitKat? Were you able to shallow flash a nightly image or did you have to build everything yourself? I have an Open C and am on 2.1, but haven't yet tried to move past that. Thanks!


I had played with using the Flame images a while back, but I had never gotten around to building anything myself. Just a couple days ago I read that the EU Ebay version (but not the FR version!) is the same as (or similar enough to) the US version, so the MozFR builds here work: http://builds.firefoxos.mozfr.org/doc/en/devices/zte-open-c-...

I haven't tried SIM/phone-related function yet, but everything else is working for me.


shitting up the PR

Good people of HN, this phrase deserves your upvotes.


Don't TDD the shit out of anything. Ever. Also, stop reading Hacker News.


I remember being at a Giants game at Pacbell (now AT&T) Park back in 2001. Webvan had just gone bankrupt, yet the entire ballpark was still covered with Webvan ads, even the cup holders. Another major ballpark advertiser at the time was Enron, and that scandal was just breaking. I remember thinking that the Giants ad sales staff might have to put in a few extra hours of work that week. If and when I see a DoorDash cup holder at AT&T, that will be my canary in the coalmine telling me that the new bubble is about to pop.

Go Giants!


Here's hoping that a viable non-Mozilla group emerges that will offer a DRM-disabled version of Firefox, one that is addon-compatible and which pulls in all non-DRM-related upstream changes. Mozilla has lost my support over this decision.


It seems like you are describing an oxymoron. It's not possible to create a browser that both supports plugins, but disables DRM. Plug-ins (assuming you are referring to the NPAPI) by definition can do anything they want, and in fact are used today to implement DRM in the form of Silverlight and Flash (RTMPE). Think of this as an alternative <object> tag, that doesn't allow arbitrary plugins, but one very specific to encode and decode audio/video.

Fun fact, if you have used Youtube, you have probably consumed DRMed content via Flash's RTMPE support.


I meant addons and extensions, not native code plugins. I have all plugins including flash disabled, so no, I don't consume DRM content via Youtube or any other site.


offer a DRM-disabled version of Firefox, one that is plugin-compatible

These two things are 100% contradictory, and the fact that they are so is the entire point of the discussion of adding EME/CDM support. You might want to try to understand the situation before you make comments as "Mozilla has lost my support over this decision."


I meant addon/extension-compatible in the Firefox parlance, not plugin compatible, and have edited my comment to clarify that. At your prompting I've now read up on the details and I'm glad that users will be able to deny the Adobe download. I incorrectly assumed that would happen automatically.


The announcement explains that Firefox continues free of any DRM code, and users who want access to it will have to explicitly opt-in to download it.


Nice work on this over the years, gojomo et al.


Copy-and-paste - great. Now how about reply all to MMS?


I'll just get my Siemens S65 out of the drawer and do that for you. (Yes, that is a phone from 10 years ago . . .)

Seems continued reinvention of the wheel is popular! In fairness, it seems a great effort but I am not sure millions of OSes is a great idea, particularly not for developer effort.


That and

>The ability to dial somebody directly from the call log.

really baffled me.



Perhaps the tiny HR detective pictured should try searching for qualified workers around newer computers, ones without floppy drives perhaps? Or maybe just search online?


Actually you do have to worry about that. Since the USPTO is financed by patent application fees it has a perverse incentive to continue promiscuously granting as many patents as possible.


Another frequently repeated myth. Actually:

1) Pretty much each and every action has a fee attached [1].

2) Each rejection has a 3 - 6 month time limit to be responded to.

3) Most applicants will fight every rejection to preserve their rights.

4) Granted patents have (admittedly higher [3]) fees due only every 3, 7 and 11 years, whereas patents in prosecution typically have fees due every 3 - 6 months. However, granted patents are not guaranteed to be renewed, which means their contribution is reduced [4, 5].

So if you want to talk perverse incentives, the USPTO actually have greater incentive to issue more rejections and collect frequent short-term fees on applicant responses, than they do to issue patents and collect infrequent long-term fees on renewals.

[1] http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/qs/ope/fee031913.htm

[2] http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/qs/ope/fee031913.htm#mai...

[3] http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2010/06/patent-maintenance-f...

[4] http://btlj.org/data/articles/20_04_02.pdf

[5] http://www.uspto.gov/about/stratplan/ar/2011/mda_06_01_03.ht...


This myopic myth-busting of yours assumes that the number of patent applications remains unchanged regardless of how many are granted when in reality more granted patents fuels the fire of more applications. If the USPTO did the right thing and severely limited or even eliminated software patents there's no question that the number of applications, and thus the USPTO's overall budget and staffing levels, would decrease dramatically.


Apologies for the late response. I don't check regularly.

1. There is no evidence to back your thesis that "more granted patents fuels the fire of more applications". See this graph [1] of allowance rates in 2000 - 2005 (for an explanation, ask a patent attorney or agent about "Dudas") and this table [2] for number of applications over that time period. There is zero correlation with the steep drop in allowance rates and the rate of new patent applications over the relevant time periods.

2. Why do you think your idea of "the right thing" is actually the right thing, if any such thing exists? Just because the HN echo chamber agrees with you? As I have shown time and time again, the Internet, especially tech media, has no real knowledge of how patents work.

3. The Supreme Court, let alone the CAFC, the PTO and various courts, cannot even define what "software patents" are. How would you begin to limit or eliminate them?

4. None of the above entities have found sufficient rationale to exclude business method patents, let alone software patents. Contrary to popular belief, it's not because they are stupid or technically illiterate, it's because they are very careful thinkers and make the best of what they can given their boundaries.

5. The budget and staffing of the USPTO is, unfortunately, mostly independent of the number of patent applications they receive. Currently, they generate more fees than they are allocated a budget for, and the federal government siphons away the rest.

[1] http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/PatentlyO2006059.jpg [2] http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/us_stat.htm


1. Thanks for the second link - both "Total Patent Applications" and "Total Patent Grants" show a similar upward trajectory, both roughly doubling since the late nineties. The first link is uninteresting - acceptance rate fluctuations don't matter much in the face of steadily rising numbers of both applications and grants.

2.3.4. I come to my opinions as a veteran professional programmer, a named inventor on three US software patents (which I now regret signing off on), a software business owner, and a long-time avid follower of this issue. I'm sure that others, perhaps yourself included, may know more about the ins and outs of the patent legal system than I do, but I submit that you and your patent-defending ilk can't see the forest for the trees. The forest is that the vast majority of software-related patents are total bullshit. Given your role here as patent apologist, I don't think I will try to make a case to you why that is; I don't think that would be time well spent.

5. Find me a chart like your second link which shows the staffing levels of the USPTO over time. I'll bet it shows the same upward trend as patent applications and grants.


You may have to worry about the incentives, but you don't have to worry about any cost in tax dollars of rejecting applications.

Unless somehow they began rejecting so many applications, and those rejections all cost more than the fees collected from those applications, so as to total more in losses than the surplus revenue of the rest of the PTO (all other patent and trademark activity, including renewals) over its costs.

Which Isn't Going To Happen.


Since the USPTO is financed by patent application fees it has a perverse incentive to continue promiscuously granting as many patents as possible.

I would hope that filers for patents that are rejected would still get charged a fee. If they aren't, they should be. After all, it still takes up a patent clerk's time.


This appears to be the case. Well, perhaps not an additional fee, but filing isn't cheap.

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/qs/ope/fee031913.htm


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