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The record fines were levied on US firms.

Are you suggesting that it's legitimate to fine US companies on antitrust grounds to supplement tax revenue?


It's legitimate to fine US companies breaking antitrust laws. If that happens to supplement tax revenue that's an extra benefit.


Don't let anyone tell you that spreading FUD and misinformation doesn't work, Google has every right to do whatever they want with a domain they own but DDG kept pushing the conspiracy theory that it's all about them and it worked.


It's hard not to make the connection between this example of a clueless self entitled tantrum and the naked resentment towards a US rival by a euro bigwig complete with the instinct to seek government subsidizes and assistance against said US rival with the scrutiny US technology companies are receiving in the region.


Right, so Google develops Android at great expense, they release it as an open source project and now they’re supposed to make even less money from it?

If you think you see similarities between this fine and the microsoft case you should also consider the differences.

For all intents and purposes the market is split 50/50 between Android and iOS, and the fact that Android can be competitive with iOS is largely due to Google’s conditions, as by ensuring quality and consistency they spared Android from the fate of the desktop linux and turned it into a mass market product, not to mention the whole free and open source thing, which is a big deal that is seemingly being brushed aside (what about all the forks?!).

In any other context finnig an open source project for antitrust violations is absurd.

They keep hitting Google with these record fines as there is no political cost for hammering Google in the EU it’s all profit, they get fawning headlines from an approving press and quench the bloodthirst of the politician there who don’t even try to hide their distaste for US tech firms and Google in particular (try and look up their quotes), they can talk up the benefits of free trade all they want and complain about this tariff or that but there is no denying that much of what the EU does is try and hamstring US tech companies.

P.S.

A recent indicator as to the political nature of this action, the fine announcement was delayed until after Trump's visit to europe: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-google-antitrust/eu-go...


Tell that to Amazon and their Fire devices and to all the Android forks in China.


Android forks in China are not undermined by the lacking open driver support for Android.

There's a bunch of SBC manufacturers (pine64, odroid, orangepi, etc) worldwide that have managed to compile AOSP for questionable hardware. However, it is noteworthy that almost none have been able to compile images for Android 7.1 and above that work without hiccups.


Are you saying that simply because a multi-billion dollar company with top engineering talent is able to compile a version of Android that this disprove the comment you're replying to?


Most likely they just want a federal law to deal with instead of having to make unworkable carve-ups for illinois and texas.

This unsurprisingly provided an ideal preamble for the NYT to try and reinforce the unsubstantiated claim that tech firms swayed the election and salivate about how this might open the door to further regulation. To keep things overboard newspapers should provide a disclaimer that they are reporting on business rivals when they write about tech firms.


I really don't understand the self destructive desire to domestically pile on our tech firms while they are being shutout of the Chinese market by the government there which apparently appreciates the importance of these firms so much as to support their local companies financially, politically, and intellectually and on the other front the EU is using every tool at its disposal to hamstring US tech firms.

Some comments here and elsewhere indicate that some pitchforks wielding folks are conflating this issue with the outcomes of recent political contests, the source of this confusion is poor-old media companies that keep feigning powerlessness while conveniently pointing the finger at business rivals.


Special interests and their existence inherently transgressing the "high school social order".

Jobs were outsourced overseas decades ago and few blamed the business owners because that is what they do and the foreigners were too far away to be a punching bag. Just pretend it is a force of nature. Not to mention the desire to be one of the "rich kids". To be one they don't need to change anything about themselves - just have more money (so they think).

Gentrification by hipsters? They are either producing a good restuarant restuarant in this dump for a change and neat or there to be laughed at as fools dressing up like their grandparents.

Automation? They are ruining everything and it is all their fault! High prices due to companies moving in? It is the fault of those damn techies! Let's ignore all of the lawyers, marketers and managers though it is all the needs' fault! Those nerds aren't there to be mocked or out of sight and mind. It is their fault!

Unlike the other "problem causers" the blamers don't want to be like them and they threaten their inherent sense of superiority.

Not to mention how people blindly go along with norms like holding the rich and powerful less responsible. A rich kid crashing his car into someone drunk made a mistake. A poor kid doing so is inherently worthless trash.


I don't believe it's self-destructive to hold our companies accountable for what they do. Many of us also agree with what the EU is doing, and wish our government would get up off it's ass and do the same thing.


The EU is targeting US firms as a protectionist measure, you can read transcripts of their politicians' grandstanding and parroting local lobbyist to get the picture, they're not shy about it.


They're targeting those firms because they're the ones running roughshod over users.


It's deliberate. Opinions are manipulated for power by countries and companies. Our minds are the biggest targets.


How is infinite scrolling not just a logical evolution of regular scrolling? and using red for notification indicators isn't just a design convention that was borrowed from the real world?

All these outlets reporting on social media/app/smartphone addictions should really consider mentioning that these theories aren't supported by research but mainly the melodramatic testimonies of former employees with messianic complex.


They don't "divvy up personal emails", you do, by clicking the "allow" button under an explicit permission screen (https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/ima...).

And you might give that access for reasons you deem useful, like CRMs and what not.

Are people really not getting this? because I'm starting to think that this is an elaborate prank on my expense.


People perfectly get this. When Google is used as an auth provider, people get accustomed to robo-clicking the "allow" button.

While there are legit use cases to grant permission to emails, many 3rd parties rely on you robo-allowing them access. It's Google's duty to protect users from such apps


Who says they don't? they've listed the ways in the linked blogpost:

https://www.blog.google/technology/safety-security/ensuring-..., https://support.google.com/a/answer/7281227?hl=en, https://support.google.com/googleapi/answer/7394288#ensure-a..., https://developers.google.com/terms/api-services-user-data-p...

Certain people have determined to catch google in the wrong here even if that isn't the case so they are conveniently framing the situation and omitting key details.

Not to mention that having the user abdicate all responsibility to their actions in any situation is infantilizing and stupid.


1. You appear to be a Google employee, or a huge Google fanboy. Either is fine with me, but I hope you see your pro-Google bias.

2. In general, I'm defensive of Google, against all the unreasonable shite hurled at them. However, I stand my ground on email access to 3rd parties. My mom, your mom, your grandad, etc. aren't reading through legalese & Google blog/support. As the world's largest internet company, people expect Google to prevent these vulnerable people from being exploited.

3. Even the tech savvy rarely read TOS, especially on trusted sites like Google. They just expect Google to do the right thing.


The only controversy here is that of shoddy (and malicious) reporting.


It appears to me that Google’s blog post admits guilt of the accusations. No?


What's the accusation? that they provide an API?


Fair enough. You have a point. But, that is active and explicit permission-giving.


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