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There is a lot of truth to this but things are changing e.g. those houses without planning permission getting torn down. That simply would not have happened two decades ago.

Trump's actions are pushing Europeans towards federalisation as a broader trend.

More specifically things like this are happening quietly in the background:

https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/eu-inc-maki...

This mandates a few things:

Countries must do certain things in English to ensure a common language.

Simple liquidation for bankruptcies, register once and operate across the EU.

Places like Germany have loads of talent but are cumbersome to setup a startup etc. This reduces that.

Things won't change overnight but a decade from now things will look a bit different, capital markets won't match the US by then but I expect the dependence trend will start to have reversed. There is no crystal ball for these things.


There is stuff happening but I think most of it is addressing side issues (and cannot address some cores outside of an actual USofE, if then).

For example, how would that overcome local resistance to new infrastructure or reduce the huge amount of (local) regulations in a significant way?


The US has these issues as well as still has a strong tech sector, you also have to keep in mind a successful outcome for the EU won't be what the US has right now either. You get charts like this floating around the internet: https://postimg.cc/Yh8TPs8g

Nearly always presented as a 'dick swinging' look how great we are chart in a EU vs US vs China stand off. However it reveals flaws in the US as well. A successful tech sector in the EU will be lots of small bubbles where the combined area is somewhat approximates what is in the US and China.

A handful of giants is not desired here in the EU, you can see the issues this presents in the US as well, chiefly: it's distorting the political system to becoming like Russia. Oligarchy.

That's not even getting in to the chart is deeply flawed but that's not the point I'm making.


Yes, certain issues are found in the US, too, but doesn't mean they shouldn't perhaps be addressed.

Some things also might need scale at least in aggregate and either tech leads to some sort of Coasian singularity or having a lot of small things comes with additional transaction costs.


>A handful of giants is not desired here in the EU

Then explain the giant Airbus. Or the giant VW. Or the giant Siemens. Or the giant Dassault. Or the giant ABB. Or the giant Stellantis. Or the giants Shell and Total. Or the giants BNP Paribas and Santander.

This whole "EU hates giants" trope being repeated on HN is just unfounded cope at EU's failure to scale and grow its newer domestic players to challenge the ones from the US and China, so they spin its weakness and failures as some form of benevolent virtue the EU is doing for the world by not building giant companies, when the truth is it just can't even though the EU would love to have US style giants as they bring in a lot of revenue along with geopolitical soft and hard power the EU is severely lacking ATM. If EU actually hated giants it would break up Airbus, Siemens, Dassault, Stellantis and others into smaller companies for more competition instead of supporting mergers that support its domestic monopolies.

> it's distorting the political system to becoming like Russia. Oligarchy.

It isn't. EU's own domestic giants are good enough at distorting EU politics without being FANG size. See VW political spending after Dieselgate. Or the political spending of the auto sector in general to shape regulations in their favor since they control so many jobs across EU's largest economies.

If you have a corrupt government that gives in to corporate interests, it's not the size of your companies that's the cause, it's the corruption of your elected leaders, since no company is above the government no matter how big it would get, as the government has the courts, police and military which no company can match, which is why companies always bend over to government requests

A Russia style oligarchy comes if the government gets too big, powerful and unaccountable, not from the size of corporations. Putin didn't attack Ukraine because corporate Russian lobbyist paid him to. In fact most Russian businesses, oligarchs and entrepreneurs got absolutely wrecked by Putin's idea to invade Ukraine, they never wanted this because they have more to lose from this.

It's the government that fucks shit up for the people, not the corporations. Big corporations just dance to the tune the government plays.


Joe Biden says ‘oligarchy’ emerging in US in final White House address

https://www.ft.com/content/262f2980-a380-45b0-bcaf-1d7d68918...

Average American is suffering and it's them who's coping with the idea that a small percentage of Americans are at least getting extremely wealthy.

US is threatening to invade Canada and Greenland, this sort of rhetoric is beyond unhinged. The US under Trump has literally been downgraded as a 'liberal democracy' and is now an 'electoral democracy' the same category as Hungary under Orban. https://www.v-dem.net/documents/75/V-Dem_Institute_Democracy...

The EU has no giants, what you listed are large companies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_corporations_by...


It's ironic that the EU has adopted English as their primary language now that England is no longer in the EU.

It almost certainly makes it easier to adopt English, since it no longer has the political optics of favoring a country.

The issue i with this type of "pragmatism" that leads English being the main working language (a language that is only official in one country and even there is "seen as colonial relic") is this sort of half-assing attitude is what created the status quo - EU and european people lacking autonomy in all sorts of social and economic life.

Ireland?

Ireland can claim that actually they'd rather it be gaelic. It has the perception of a colonizer language for them too.

Does Uruky pay Yandex like Kagi does?

It's relevant to those of us boycotting Russian products and influence due to the Ukraine war.


The search providers we use are listed in our FAQ and all are Europe-based. Yandex is not included.

First off, this is shit position for you to be in.

I perused your comment history as I often do with HNers.

Some guy was predicting this exact situation in 2009 and your comment was that this would all sort itself out due to market forces. The market forces have spoken and the market lacks empathy.

Hope you get your account back and then when you do you hop on to the the other side of the fence. We can all stand to learn from your experience here and 2009 was a long time ago.

If you are in the EU or an EU citizen you will have options (you can email them from the email associated with your account asking for all your data). If you are in the US (assumption) you will be stuck with their ToS and hope some guy in Meta with leverage reads this who simply wants to help.

For reference I proudly do not use any Meta products exactly for these reasons. This is an absurd and dystopian position to find yourself in.


I'm in Canada where we can't even see or share news on Facebook

I'm sorry, what? What happens if you try to share news on Facebook? Does it bury it in the algorithm?

Just gives you an error if you have a link to a “news” site in your post.

> News content can't be shared in Canada In response to Canadian government legislation, news content can't be shared. Learn more (links to https://m.facebook.com/help/2579891418969617/)

https://cbc.radio-canada.ca/en/media-centre/blocking-of-news...


Usually when I've submitted something myself.

The user isn't arguing in good faith here is one of his other comments

>Wikipedia could shut down permanently tomorrow and the world will be a better place.

Wikipedia is a vital resource for the internet and one of humanities supreme achievements. He can certainly have whatever opinion he likes but when has opinions like this he can't be trusted.


Yeah, I have zero good faith towards Wikipedia and the wikipedos who run it.

https://wikipedia.fivefilters.org/


good faith arguments, on HN? bro you know what this site is for, right?

If the argument doesn't fit the majority narrative then it's not in good faith. Aka democracy in action.

I've linked in the past to a paper which shows how wikipedos use circular arguments to push a narrative.


I use eb.com and so should you.

So when the cofounder of Wikipedia calls it compromised, is he also arguing in bad faith?


I have no idea what you’re talking about. Maybe some context would help. Is this a cofounder who currently works there?

I don’t think this is directly relevant.


Look up Larry Sanger but not on Wikipedia.

As an aside the Daft Punk soundtrack that accompanies this film is an absolute masterpiece. I think it's their best work.

It's such a shame the film doesn't live up to it's own soundtrack.


As someone in music, yeah, that was one of the best movie soundtrack’s of all time (not much like it in movies beforehand).

But kind of disagree about the film, think it was under appreciated. It isn’t a masterpiece, but the acting, the overall story, and the visuals were really good. And yeah, those dark Tron-visuals combined with the pulsing, digital daft-punk music really worked (at least for me), and when I want to get pulled into a different world, will rewatch that film.


Yeah I still rewatch it occasionally. I feel like it’s full of missed opportunities, and you have to shut your brain off, but it’s still good fun.

Agreed, good way to put it:)

The Overture sounds like Chariots of Fire and The Lord of the Rings had a baby in the beginning, followed by a Kraftwerk wannabe who couldn't afford a vocoder.

haha, not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing:)

Bad. Very bad.

Maybe it's my prejudice against helmets - I bike 120km every weekend without one, so sue me - but Daft P annoy me.


haha, all good, to each their own:)

I think of the film as a Daft Punk music video, and from that perspective it's great.

Made more or less this point at the time. As a movie? Eh, it was fine. As a Daft Punk music video? Easily their best.

Second best in my opinion. Interstella 5555 is a masterpiece.

My personal preference is Interstella 5555 is Daft Punk's best music video.

Edit: Jinx! Gracana beat my reply to an 11 hour old comment by four minutes.


I'll unjinx you by replying to you instead:

I'm aware of and like it, but prefer TRON. De gustibus non est disputandum.


Tron Legacy was, I think, only the second film soundtrack I ever purchased (first one being Lord of the Rings). It's still among my favorite music to listen to while coding; something about it just puts me in the "flow" frame of mind right away.

>It's still among my favorite music to listen to while coding

In that case you may want to try the Dark Ambient genre in general. Lots of similar vibes.


Yeah the movie’s got warts but if you allow for some plot holes and accept that young Flynn is completely 2D (maybe a meta joke for Tron? Nah just poor writing) the movie rips.

People were calling the film "a two-hour Daft Punk video" at one point. Which would be pretty cool, come to think of it.

I do think they were a pretty good choice to follow on from the original movie's electronic score by Wendy Carlos.


Related, Interstella 5555 is actually Daft Punk's Discovery album as a one-hour animated movie.

Tron 1 for the plot, Tron 2 for daft punk, Tron 3... we don't talk about.

I think Trent reznor did a fantastic job with the soundtrack, maybe the only person that could’ve fit in daft punks shoes

I think Tron 1 has the shallowest plot! Guy goes on an adventure to take credit for his game. The idea of MCP vs the users is good (and still topical!), but a lot of the other stuff - nods to religion, romance...they feel like afterthoughts. The point was the graphics. And that's fine! I like the movie.

Legacy, on the other hand, has a ton of depth to it! The father/son stuff. Living under the weight of expectations. The nature of perfection. Being open to the unexpected. Resistance by withdrawal. Flynn in End of Line Club - God entering the room - was probably the coolest moment in the entire franchise. And of course the visuals and soundtrack were good. The plot's a little stilted to start, but once the movie hits Flynn's arcade, it takes off. Finally, I should note that the way it was able to walk the line of being a sequel and a reboot and something new entirely is remarkable; people absolutely do not give it enough credit for that.

I liked Ares as well. People seemed to not like Leto and the fact that they rebooted again (and the fact that Tron is not in a Tron movie), but I thought the visuals were good, the soundtrack really grew on me, and there are some ideas to chew on in there as well. Think of it as a big-budget TNG episode where Data's learning about being human. Having just watched Ex Machina, it's actually an interesting companion film: both involve an embodied AI brought into existence by a megalomaniac tech bro, but Ares and Ava take very different paths based on the nature and actions of Eve and Caleb. Dillinger is a bit mustache-twirly but I think he captures the way that corporate pressures can lead people without a strong moral compass down a bad road.

Anyways, 2 and 3 are really good and I just wanna stick up for them.


Tron 2 for Daft Punk and Michael Sheen chewing scenery.

Michael Sheen is apparently such a fan of TRON, that he might have been lucky to not negotiated himself down to a $0 pay packet - just in case someone else might have gotten the role :D

I actually liked TRON 3 quite a bit more than I suspected I would. I had read many negative reviews about the film before finally breaking down and watching it (I needed a TRON fix). IMHO, it was a lot more fast paced than TRON 2, which made it more enjoyable in that aspect. I even liked Jared Leto's performance. The only real issue I had with the film was the news report referring to TRON as a video game, which it definitely was not ... within the TRON universe, it was a security program.

The internet’s reaction to Tron 3 was a breaking point for me: either the internet is full of karma farming bots or people really are just stupid, small creatures, incapable of thinking for themselves. It’s not a great movie. It’s a kids/family adventure film like the other tron movies. It’s fine. But it was hate post after hate post for it in a way I’ve never seen before and for a movie that didn’t do particularly well, so I know most people didn’t watch it. Utterly bizarre that people would commit themselves so much to tearing something down they didn’t even watch.

I also thought the terminal usage was neat. The movie starts with a sudo command. I also think I saw PyTorch.


Tron 3 would be fine if not for the main character. Every other character/performance is great IMO, and the Trent Reznor soundtrack. The main performance was just incredibly bad, which sinks the whole movie.

What didn't you like about Greta Lee? I thought she did a fine job.

And the animated show, Tron: Uprising?

There are a lot of movies explain their themes outright. You don't have to try that hard to remember what they're fighting for in the Incredibles for example. But what is the theme of Tron Legacy? I had to get Google to explain that the movie is about perfectionism. That's an interesting theme but I didn't realize that in the theater.


The film looks great too. It was such a missed opportunity.

Agreed, that dark tron world is visually super interesting.

The US and China have standards as well and bodies to regulate them. Regulation vs Free Market debate isn't a binary issue and is a spectrum.

The fine is the application of the law. Would be like getting arrested and demanding to know why the authorities aren't getting involved.

I think the parent is questioning how the fine relates to removing the goods from circulation?

Or is the intention of the law to allow for an unlimited number of supposedly illegal goods to circulate freely within the EU, just fined appropriately?


Account age is a legit parameter when evaluating the worthiness comments especially how easy it is for bots to make comments now.

They seem pretty human to me.

Probably because I am.

But it doesn't matter. Another thing that's worse about HN is that you can now accuse anybody who posts things you dislike of being a bot.

It's unsurprising that Sean, who posts several times a day, is eager to dismiss my criticism of non-value-addding posting addicts.


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